Teaching Golf in The Real World (2005) + NEW BLOG entry!

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Alright, I'm gonna take a crack at this:

Real teaching ability has nothing to do with the "superstar" potential of the individual being taught. While student success is a nice reflection on the instructor, it is not the determining factor of instructor ability.

Here is the bottom line:

EVERY STUDENT deserves the same dedication and passion that a real instructor brings to the table, in making them the best golfer they possibly can be.

Fact is, if all you get is kids of superstar potential or just downright duffer potential, you as the instructor OWE it to them to deliver instruction that achieves that potential (or at least your part of it).

This is why band-aids, cliches, quick-fixes, sell-outs, etc have no place among real teachers. They don't enable the potential of the student - they stifle it. They have the best interest of the instructor (the pay check) in mind, rather than the well-being of the student.

Every student wants to play better. Unleashing 100% potential is the method of real teachers, whether it's tour pro or grandma... they all deserve the best the instructor can give them.
 

Brian Manzella

Administrator
BLOG: Back in the day. The "Real World" — where I come from.

I just read a Blog I wrote in 2005 about "Teaching Golf in the Real World."

I've come a long, long way from 2005.

Was that just 4 years ago? Couldn't be, huh?

Must be the Katrinamnesia.

Well, we tore down our Katrina flooded house, and built another. Had 200 large stolen from us by a contractor. Got through some even tougher things—trust me—but here I am.

Video sales are brisk, the website is doing well, and so am I.

I am now primarily a destination teacher, and I teach at a world-class facility.

But I remember where I came from.

It may be instructive for others to know as well.

I just got finished watching the 3rd episode of the T.O. Show. Yup, as in #81.

Some folks hate this guy. He can be cocky as hell, and he says and does all sorts of things you think are off the wall, and come out of nowhere. Oh yeah, he can flat ball.

Why bring up T.O.?

It just proves one thing—everyone does everything for a reason.

Terrell Owens had a rough childhood. His dad lived across the street raising a whole other family. He was raised, very strictly, by his grandmother.

He and his Dad barely talked, and his Dad never came to his ball games—or so T.O. thought.

Owens was just an average ball player in High School, and couldn't get a date. 139 touchdowns later, he is world famous, and he gets lots...of "dates." ;)

When Terrell Owens says something you think is from left field, it didn't come from left field, it came from a field with clovers in Alexander City, Alabama.

When I say some of the things I say, trust me, they did not come out of left field either.

They came from some range mats. :D

Walk a day in a brother's shoes...

I grew up at a public course and I worked there pretty much all my life. I parked carts for $3 an hour when I was 13. Picked the range at 17. Ran the Junior Program at 20. Merchandised a top 10 golf shop at 21.

When I turned pro in May of 1984, I was not allowed to teach at the Driving Range at the Golf Course where I worked, ran a now thriving Junior Program, and worked 365 days a year in the pro shop (no, we didn't have Christmas or Thanksgiving off).

Why wasn't I allowed to teach at the City Park Driving Range?

Because the totally crooked, gangsters that taught there, didn't want me to. And they had something on the Pro, Mr. Thomas. So there was a 14-teacher limit, and I was #15.

Gangsters? Really?

Really.

Frank Costello's brother-in-law and nephew.

Google it.

So I taught in a field at my university where I just finished captaining the golf team. Bag Shag in hand.

I'm sure Hank Haney had a similar start. :rolleyes:

Later that year, City Park Head Professional Henry Thomas' wife, fired me because I sold a pack of lead tape for $1 instead of the $1.50 retail price in the Hornung's Golf Products catalog.

Really.

No you can't google that.

No wait, you'll be able to tomorrow. Get it?

You see, we sold everything in the pro shop with a price in our heads—so to speak. You learned them, and that was that.

Except Mrs. Thomas. She sold everything at full retail, and for the most part, because of it, nobody bought anything from her.

So when I sold Ricky Diamond—who I just gave a lesson to at English Turn a couple of months ago—a pack of lead tape for a dollar, Mrs. Thomas exclaimed at the top of her voice in front of at least 20 customers in the very busy shop, "I can't believe how STUPID you are." Meaning me.

She pulled out the catalog, nearly tearing the pages to get to the right one, and almost broke her Olive Oil fingers pointing and hollering at me, "You see, it is A DOLLAR FIFTY!!! Now go get that 50 cents from that man."

No chance.

I took two quarters out of my pocket, and put them in the 1940's vintage cash register, and edited the composition book we kept the sales in. I then calmly said this to her:

"Miss Thomas, I know the retail price is $1.50, I just about have that catalog memorized. But we don't sell anything in here at full price." Then I went right through our staff. "Marty sells the lead tape for a dollar, so does John, so does Larry, and Mr. Thomas—who writes my checks—sells the lead tape for a dollar as well, so I sell it for a dollar."

Unfazed, she replied, "Well it is my shop and the price is $1.50!"

She then walked into Mr. Thomas' office and sealed my fate.

Mr. Thomas was almost in tears writing my check out and telling me it was me or him.

I am sure Michael Breed had a similar experience early in his career. :D

I was allowed to teach at "The Range" later that month believe it or not, as the golf committee found out about the limit, and I found out shortly after it never even existed. Imagine that.

I was cold bluffed.

Now teaching on New Orleans' then center-stage, I got my career in high-gear fast. I bought the area's first video camcorder about six months later, and two years later with the help of Tom Bartlett's brilliant play as a Junior, and my new info form Ben Doyle, the local paper and #1 TV station did feature stories on me.

The gangsters threw my 200 page sequence book in Bayou St. John.

That happened everyday to Butch Harmon when he was working for his daddy. :)

A few years later, after we got another head pro, the infamous Frank Mackel, another local teacher was given the job I wanted, Director of Instruction of the range. He had it for almost 10 years. But then...

It was later found out, during the Louisiana State Inspector General's criminal investigation into improprieties at the City Park Golf Course and Driving Range among multiple offenses, the Director of Instruction's contract was dead illegal.

Bluffed again.

That kind of stuff happened everyday in Jim McLean's career. :p

Somehow, through all of that, I managed to get David Toms on Tour, write a manual that was stolen from me, smartened up my competition, became a PGA Member and a TGM AI, and teach Tom Bartlett and Nakia Davis into SEC Scholarships.

That was the easy part.

Giving lessons while all the other teachers told every new student how terrible I was while they waited in the lobby, while at the same time across the street, the head pro was calling everywhere I was applying for a job not to hire me, all the while eschewing money-making mechanics for ones that were better for my long term goals everyday, while the local media then totally ignored me—that was a wee bit harder.

Just like Leadbetter, huh?

I remember sitting in Don Pablos' Mexican restaurant in Orlando, Florida in about 2001. I was there with my pals Mike Finney and Mike McLaughlin, and we were discussing how far I was away from my goals.

We were talking about what to do to get anyone to listen to what I had to say.

The Golf Channel laughed at me, the Magazines rolled their eyes at me, and the PGA told me if I was any good, "They'll ask you to speak at the Section level."

Saved by the internet.

Whew!

My tips are now featured on PGA.com, and I did a DVD for them as well. Talking at my fourth PGA Seminar in the last year and a half next week. Golf Schools—sold out.

104,000 results for "Brian Manzella" + Golf on Google.

But I remember where I came from.

I came from the REAL WORLD of GOLF TEACHING.

In the last 5 months of being at English Turn here in NuWallins, I can tell you that I now have to go "back in the day" every so often, and give some "real world" lessons.

Folks that would come to whomever was the teacher for a lesson. Folks that want to play a round here and there but will probably never ever break 100.

I didn't forget how to do it, but whoa, is it harder than being a destination teacher.

Real World baby.

Just like back in the day.

Boy, I wish I still had that sequence book...
 

Kevin Shields

Super Moderator
I DEFINATELY come from the real world of teaching. I cant believe where I am and hope to be in 5 years. Things have gotten pretty good and I'm enjoying the hell out of what I'm doing. Reading that first blog in this thread is soooo true. I'll give ten in a row that make me feel like I know what I'm talking about and "hmmm, maybe I really should be charging more like my friends say". Then you get a few that make you come crashing down to earth. Not that you didnt help them. But just like BMan said, people who have never played a sport well in their life telling ME whats wrong, people who think the further right you swing will eliminate their hook, who think that starting the backswing with the handle first is too hard, and 60 year old twice a week players who think they have 20 yards stashed away. I need some of these so I, too, never forget where i came from.
 

ggsjpc

New
I've taught at a public course or a municipal for most of my teaching career. It's so interesting when I look back on each day and rate myself. It's not always the better players that make me feel like I know what I'm doing. Sometimes it comes from left field. Just this year, I started getting more players that were looking for long term improvement and willing to see it through. It has made this year very smooth and enjoyable.

I almost fell outta my chair at some of Kevin's comments. I can't do that, it doesn't feel right, I should hit it farther but I don't want to hinge the club, and the list goes on and on. I have yet to have a student unable to do some things but a whole truckload that were unwilling.

It is still the best job I can imagine.

Can some of you real world teachers comment on this: Do/did you grandfather your pricing to those student that have been with you since the beginning before you "made it big"?
 
Good stories. I think the one thing that would frustrate me is the student has a flaw in their swing that is very obvious to see, you show it to them every which way, explain it to them simply why it causes the problem, they understand and when they don't start pureing it after 5 shots they think the problem is something like not having a straight left arm at the top of the swing.

That and the golfer who expects miracles, but only plays 1x per week and never practices.




3JACK
 

Brian Manzella

Administrator
Not really.

Brian,
at one point did you ever want to give up teaching golf? Your pretty determined so I doubt you did but I'm just curious.

Over the past 27 years I have been through an unbeliveable ride in this goofy business, but I never gave up.

Why?

Because I always could TEACH BETTER than anyone I had seen up to that point.

When I figured out what else I was good at, like this website, the videos, and the books I will write, I knew I was even further ahead of the pack going that way.

KING OF ALL GOLF MEDIA.

:D
 
Those are two of the best Manzella "blog entries" of all time.

And, man, am I looking forward to being a "destination student" this weekend (even if you and the Manzella Academy teachers only get 20% credit for any results)!
 
That and the golfer who expects miracles, but only plays 1x per week and never practices.




3JACK

I am laughing....really...and those same type guys are giving me grief for spending $75 on a lesson and practicing while they are playing 3 times a week.

They wonder why they are 20 handicappers and non of my fundamental simplistic advice is working.
 
I am laughing....really...and those same type guys are giving me grief for spending $75 on a lesson and practicing while they are playing 3 times a week.

They wonder why they are 20 handicappers and non of my fundamental simplistic advice is working.

I tell people the same thing. Golf is much more mechanics/techniques/alignments and much less hand eye coordination than most golfers think. Not to say that hand-eye coordination is not important, but it's vastly overestimated and thinking that either you can naturally developed into a good player is very misguided.



3JACK
 
I just read a Blog I wrote in 2005 about "Teaching Golf in the Real World."

I've come a long, long way from 2005.

Was that just 4 years ago? Couldn't be, huh?

Must be the Katrinamnesia.

Well, we tore down our Katrina flooded house, and built another. Had 200 large stolen from us by a contractor. Got through some even tougher things—trust me—but here I am.

Video sales are brisk, the website is doing well, and so am I.

I am now primarily a destination teacher, and I teach at a world-class facility.

But I remember where I came from.

It may be instructive for others to know as well.

I just got finished watching the 3rd episode of the T.O. Show. Yup, as in #81.

Some folks hate this guy. He can be cocky as hell, and he says and does all sorts of things you think are off the wall, and come out of nowhere. Oh yeah, he can flat ball.

Why bring up T.O.?

It just proves one thing—everyone does everything for a reason.

Terrell Owens had a rough childhood. His dad lived across the street raising a whole other family. He was raised, very strictly, by his grandmother.

He and his Dad barely talked, and his Dad never came to his ball games—or so T.O. thought.

Owens was just an average ball player in High School, and couldn't get a date. 139 touchdowns later, he is world famous, and he gets lots...of "dates." ;)

When Terrell Owens says something you think is from left field, it didn't come from left field, it came from a field with clovers in Alexander City, Alabama.

When I say some of the things I say, trust me, they did not come out of left field either.

They came from some range mats. :D

Walk a day in a brother's shoes...

I grew up at a public course and I worked there pretty much all my life. I parked carts for $3 an hour when I was 13. Picked the range at 17. Ran the Junior Program at 20. Merchandised a top 10 golf shop at 21.

When I turned pro in May of 1984, I was not allowed to teach at the Driving Range at the Golf Course where I worked, ran a now thriving Junior Program, and worked 365 days a year in the pro shop (no, we didn't have Christmas or Thanksgiving off).

Why wasn't I allowed to teach at the City Park Driving Range?

Because the totally crooked, gangsters that taught there, didn't want me to. And they had something on the Pro, Mr. Thomas. So there was a 14-teacher limit, and I was #15.

Gangsters? Really?

Really.

Frank Costello's brother-in-law and nephew.

Google it.

So I taught in a field at my university where I just finished captaining the golf team. Bag Shag in hand.

I'm sure Hank Haney had a similar start. :rolleyes:

Later that year, City Park Head Professional Henry Thomas' wife, fired me because I sold a pack of lead tape for $1 instead of the $1.50 retail price in the Hornung's Golf Products catalog.

Really.

No you can't google that.

No wait, you'll be able to tomorrow. Get it?

You see, we sold everything in the pro shop with a price in our heads—so to speak. You learned them, and that was that.

Except Mrs. Thomas. She sold everything at full retail, and for the most part, because of it, nobody bought anything from her.

So when I sold Ricky Diamond—who I just gave a lesson to at English Turn a couple of months ago—a pack of lead tape for a dollar, Mrs. Thomas exclaimed at the top of her voice in front of at least 20 customers in the very busy shop, "I can't believe how STUPID you are." Meaning me.

She pulled out the catalog, nearly tearing the pages to get to the right one, and almost broke her Olive Oil fingers pointing and hollering at me, "You see, it is A DOLLAR FIFTY!!! Now go get that 50 cents from that man."

No chance.

I took two quarters out of my pocket, and put them in the 1940's vintage cash register, and edited the composition book we kept the sales in. I then calmly said this to her:

"Miss Thomas, I know the retail price is $1.50, I just about have that catalog memorized. But we don't sell anything in here at full price." Then I went right through our staff. "Marty sells the lead tape for a dollar, so does John, so does Larry, and Mr. Thomas—who writes my checks—sells the lead tape for a dollar as well, so I sell it for a dollar."

Unfazed, she replied, "Well it is my shop and the price is $1.50!"

She then walked into Mr. Thomas' office and sealed my fate.

Mr. Thomas was almost in tears writing my check out and telling me it was me or him.

I am sure Michael Breed had a similar experience early in his career. :D

I was allowed to teach at "The Range" later that month believe it or not, as the golf committee found out about the limit, and I found out shortly after it never even existed. Imagine that.

I was cold bluffed.

Now teaching on New Orleans' then center-stage, I got my career in high-gear fast. I bought the area's first video camcorder about six months later, and two years later with the help of Tom Bartlett's brilliant play as a Junior, and my new info form Ben Doyle, the local paper and #1 TV station did feature stories on me.

The gangsters threw my 200 page sequence book in Bayou St. John.

That happened everyday to Butch Harmon when he was working for his daddy. :)

A few years later, after we got another head pro, the infamous Frank Mackel, another local teacher was given the job I wanted, Director of Instruction of the range. He had it for almost 10 years. But then...

It was later found out, during the Louisiana State Inspector General's criminal investigation into improprieties at the City Park Golf Course and Driving Range among multiple offenses, the Director of Instruction's contract was dead illegal.

Bluffed again.

That kind of stuff happened everyday in Jim McLean's career. :p

Somehow, through all of that, I managed to get David Toms on Tour, write a manual that was stolen from me, smartened up my competition, became a PGA Member and a TGM AI, and teach Tom Bartlett and Nakia Davis into SEC Scholarships.

That was the easy part.

Giving lessons while all the other teachers told every new student how terrible I was while they waited in the lobby, while at the same time across the street, the head pro was calling everywhere I was applying for a job not to hire me, all the while eschewing money-making mechanics for ones that were better for my long term goals everyday, while the local media then totally ignored me—that was a wee bit harder.

Just like Leadbetter, huh?

I remember sitting in Don Pablos' Mexican restaurant in Orlando, Florida in about 2001. I was there with my pals Mike Finney and Mike McLaughlin, and we were discussing how far I was away from my goals.

We were talking about what to do to get anyone to listen to what I had to say.

The Golf Channel laughed at me, the Magazines rolled their eyes at me, and the PGA told me if I was any good, "They'll ask you to speak at the Section level."

Saved by the internet.

Whew!

My tips are now featured on PGA.com, and I did a DVD for them as well. Talking at my fourth PGA Seminar in the last year and a half next week. Golf Schools—sold out.

104,000 results for "Brian Manzella" + Golf on Google.

But I remember where I came from.

I came from the REAL WORLD of GOLF TEACHING.

In the last 5 months of being at English Turn here in NuWallins, I can tell you that I now have to go "back in the day" every so often, and give some "real world" lessons.

Folks that would come to whomever was the teacher for a lesson. Folks that want to play a round here and there but will probably never ever break 100.

I didn't forget how to do it, but whoa, is it harder than being a destination teacher.

Real World baby.

Just like back in the day.

Boy, I wish I still had that sequence book...

WOW

I am not going to say too much but from a fellow PGA Pro with stories that sound the same. Thanks for writing that, we all start out thinking that our "great teaching abilities" will mean we are going to reach our goals, however there is more to it than that. Thanks
 
I tell people the same thing. Golf is much more mechanics/techniques/alignments and much less hand eye coordination than most golfers think. Not to say that hand-eye coordination is not important, but it's vastly overestimated and thinking that either you can naturally developed into a good player is very misguided.



3JACK

Hmmm..Good question for the guys that teach out there for a living. Would you rather have a very good athlete to work with(with no understanding of mechanics, concepts, of pivot, etc.etc.)?or.... A brainiac that has some hand-eye coordination and a pretty good understanding of how to solve problems and SOME knowledge of golf technique?
 
Hands Down

Hmmm..Good question for the guys that teach out there for a living. Would you rather have a very good athlete to work with(with no understanding of mechanics, concepts, of pivot, etc.etc.)?or.... A brainiac that has some hand-eye coordination and a pretty good understanding of how to solve problems and SOME knowledge of golf technique?

I'm guessing they'd almost ALL prefer the athlete.
 
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Zztop

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I tell people the same thing. Golf is much more mechanics/techniques/alignments and much less hand eye coordination than most golfers think. Not to say that hand-eye coordination is not important, but it's vastly overestimated and thinking that either you can naturally developed into a good player is very misguided.



3JACK

Vastly underestimated. Try applying any mechanics/techniques/ alignments without your eye/brain/hand co-ordination. Good luck, your going to need it.

You may think it's vastly overestimated but it's only because you take your everyday hand, eye, brain co-ordination for granted as no conscious thinking is required to use it.

Try blind folding yourself and with no help from someone else see how far you get hitting those shots you love to hit. While your at it don't use your hands.

Your a teacher, and you tell people this b.s. get serious! When do they get to use their human abilities?
 
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Vastly underestimated. Try applying any mechanics/techniques/ alignments without your eye/brain/hand co-ordination. Good luck, your going to need it.

You may think it's vastly overestimated but it's only because you take your everyday hand, eye, brain co-ordination for granted as no conscious thinking is required to use it.

Try blind folding yourself and with no help from someone else see how far you get hitting those shots you love to hit. While your at it don't use your hands.

Your a teacher, and you tell people this b.s. get serious! When do they get to use their human abilities?


then explain how I can play to a 2 handy yet I cant bounce a ball several times or ONE time off a SW..........not aruging at all just wondering
 
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then explain how I can play to a 2 handy yet I cant bounce a ball several times or ONE time off a SW..........not aruging at all just wondering

Well i can bounce a ball off a sw all day long but i'm not a 2 handy, so what ,some people are better at somethings than other things. It still takes eye/brain/hand co-ordination.;)

I'm wondering how i can keyboard/ type but never took a lesson? I'm wondering how i can hit a nail in a hockey rink board that i'm aiming at with a lacrosse ball running as fast as i can down the rink.:eek:

I'm wondering why i'm good at darts yet never really play darts, actually don't like darts. I wish i was a 2 handy then i'd give up darts.:D

Oh yeah keep trying the ball off the sw, you'll get it.
 
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