birdie_man
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Ahahahhahahahahaha.
Teaching / learning TGM - is there a better way?
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I watched 3 of the TGC shows where a troubleshooter took a golfer and worked with him to gauge his or her improvement.
Mclean did the best job, Smith did ok, Reinmuth was terrible.
Mclean did the best job because he kept it SIMPLE for the guy, and his teaching really boiled down to one drill and everything else focused was based on the drill. The drill, hit chips and small pitches with the CLUB parallel to parallel, concetrating on proper impact hands.
The guy even said in a follow up show when ever he runs into trouble, he goes right to that drill and works, the trouble goes.
Mclean did the best job, Smith did ok, Reinmuth was terrible.
Mclean did the best job because he kept it SIMPLE for the guy, and his teaching really boiled down to one drill and everything else focused was based on the drill. The drill, hit chips and small pitches with the CLUB parallel to parallel, concetrating on proper impact hands.
The guy even said in a follow up show when ever he runs into trouble, he goes right to that drill and works, the trouble goes.
Right, I forgot Smith! I basically agree. In some way, I think TGC (or us viewers) may have been asking too much. These teachers were not just "doing a lesson" and being filmed but were actively aware of their limited time with the camera and playing to it and the audience behind (kind of like lecturing to "us all").
Playa_Brian
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Brian still doesn't get it.
After Annika played the Colonial, some no name male golfer offered to play her, probably in a winner-take-all format. She had nothing to gain from that, but that no name male golfer would have gotten some free publicity. Obviously, she didn't waste a second even thinking about it. Neither would The Golf Channel waste any time thinking about Brian's offer.
BM: "What would that prove?"
OMG!! Did mom drop you on your head a few too many times?
birdie_man
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Ppl would watch it I think....like Balboa knocking out Apollo Creed.....lol....wait....
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Anyway, people would learn something too.
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Anyway, people would learn something too.
birdie_man
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Ahahahaha.....
I like it.
He's right most of the time.....AND he has good intentions.
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I like it.
He's right most of the time.....AND he has good intentions.
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Most people? Like the people who like Britney Spears and (for golf) are drooling Tiger worshippers? I'm not sure "most people" is much of a basis to evaluate things. Personally speaking, a good show with good content is better than something by the clones who think they sound good.
And I have no problem with Brian's presentation.
And I have no problem with Brian's presentation.
golfbulldog
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Getting a little off topic here !
The original question was - Why do so few people know about TGM when the information it contains seems so much more complete than other books, teaching philosophy etc ??
Maybe, and I mean maybe, it is the people ( that includes you , Reader, and me) it attracts are just too passionate about golf and can overdo the presentation of the material? ( when compared with Joe Hacker who just wants a quick fix rather than a lifetime golfing road map!)
The original question was - Why do so few people know about TGM when the information it contains seems so much more complete than other books, teaching philosophy etc ??
Maybe, and I mean maybe, it is the people ( that includes you , Reader, and me) it attracts are just too passionate about golf and can overdo the presentation of the material? ( when compared with Joe Hacker who just wants a quick fix rather than a lifetime golfing road map!)
Most players indoctrinated into TGM understand full well why the book/system has not become more popular amongst the general golfing community. The book contains plenty of good information, but imo it needs more explanation.
I was very perplexed the first time I read it and even after reading through it scores of times I am still wondering if I have interpreted it's meaning correctly. (Reading the comments on this forum have helped tremendously.) Plus the black and white pictures are small and make it difficult to discern some of the details of the various positions.
To me, the book is actually more like an outline for a book. It seems to me that most people would not spend the time it takes to unravel it's meaning.
The task, as I see it, is how to go about changing the way TGM is being presented, so that it will be easier for the masses to quickly comprehend.
Erik_K
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Biffer brings up some good points. Surely someone like Brian could publish a book containing what he might call the 'essentials' of TGM necessary for a good swing based on his countless hours working Joe Shmo Hacker and Tour players alike. I guess you could say Brian does that in part with his video answers, articles, and various videos (Never Slice Again, etc).
I guess part of the problem, as far as getting the word out about TGM, is that when someone first hears about the book, they jump online and they might find it amazon or something and maybe read an excerpt. Someone who is a bit more curious might stumble across Lynn's site or maybe Brian's, too. Either way, they might be bombarded with all this new verbiage and debates on this or that. One could say that this does more to confuse than to properly introduce them to how the swing works, and how one might go on to develop their own pattern.
In my opinion, if TGM were going to be accepted by more of the mainstream, i.e. more people who hear about this and do a casual search on the 'Net, when they do pick up a copy or read a small passage, it would be from a text where the ideas are laid out in such a way that is easier for the average golfer to grasp.
In no way do I advocate a 'watered' down version of the book. But maybe an INTRO text is needed that covers the three imperatives in great detail with tons of pictures. Those who want a more detailed discourse on the swing could dive into Homer's book and begin the trek toward a better understanding.
golfbulldog
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I am glad you agree with my original thoughts about a book published in parallel , which could be read in isolation but would be fully referenced to the original text.
Homer ( in 12-3-0) gives a skeleton outline of a traditional coaching manual (eg. 1. address/grip stance posture etc 2. backswing 3 top/transition.) but it needs to be fleshed out with instruction in such a way that a non-tgm guy can make it happen .
One version for swingers / one for hitters
Homer ( in 12-3-0) gives a skeleton outline of a traditional coaching manual (eg. 1. address/grip stance posture etc 2. backswing 3 top/transition.) but it needs to be fleshed out with instruction in such a way that a non-tgm guy can make it happen .
One version for swingers / one for hitters
whiteydepula
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Why, Why, Why
Hello Everyone,
My name is Dave and I live in NJ.
Ponder this...
What if information and knowledge was a material thing. Just like gold.
It is not in the nature of things that everyone be rich. Likewise it is not in the nature of things that everyone or even the majority of golfers be exposed to TGM.
If you had 1000oz of gold and gave 10 people 100oz they would have a substantial aount of money/gold($70,000). However if you gave 100,000 .01 oz of gold they would have something basically worthless ($7.)
It, my friends, is the same with knowledge. If too many people have it, it is worthless.
Why not be thankful that you know about and are benefiting from TGM.
I am a teacher as well and it is frustrating watching TGC and all those "top 100" instructors, with good intentions I hope, giving incorrect instruction.
I love TGM and what it is doing for my game. I love sharing it but it IS not for the masses, it can't be. Most golfers are ASLEEP and are not ready to wake up to the truth.
Again, I am glad that I KNOW about and benefit from Homer's work.
Thanks for reading my post and I look forward to your responses.
Dave
Hello Everyone,
My name is Dave and I live in NJ.
Ponder this...
What if information and knowledge was a material thing. Just like gold.
It is not in the nature of things that everyone be rich. Likewise it is not in the nature of things that everyone or even the majority of golfers be exposed to TGM.
If you had 1000oz of gold and gave 10 people 100oz they would have a substantial aount of money/gold($70,000). However if you gave 100,000 .01 oz of gold they would have something basically worthless ($7.)
It, my friends, is the same with knowledge. If too many people have it, it is worthless.
Why not be thankful that you know about and are benefiting from TGM.
I am a teacher as well and it is frustrating watching TGC and all those "top 100" instructors, with good intentions I hope, giving incorrect instruction.
I love TGM and what it is doing for my game. I love sharing it but it IS not for the masses, it can't be. Most golfers are ASLEEP and are not ready to wake up to the truth.
Again, I am glad that I KNOW about and benefit from Homer's work.
Thanks for reading my post and I look forward to your responses.
Dave
There is nothing difficult about the imperatives and essentials.
Nothing difficult about learning to visualize the hands, to monitor the hands.
Nothing difficult about learning to hit down, from the inside, with your hands ahead and take a divot.
Yet people have a hard time, because they lack the proper perspectives to 'get it' - hitting the ball with the pressure points in your hands, monitoring your hands, staying in balance.
Not hard to understand at all once you can 'see' the path of your hands.
Nothing difficult about learning to visualize the hands, to monitor the hands.
Nothing difficult about learning to hit down, from the inside, with your hands ahead and take a divot.
Yet people have a hard time, because they lack the proper perspectives to 'get it' - hitting the ball with the pressure points in your hands, monitoring your hands, staying in balance.
Not hard to understand at all once you can 'see' the path of your hands.
Brian Manzella
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The REAL reason why TGM is STILL where it is is this:
Either it has been taught as a one pattern fits all, or two patterns plus RFT plus PSCT, etc. etc.
I know I am the guy, becuase I am the only one who can get it to the masses.
As far as The Golf Channel, Playa Brian's, Book Literalists, Chest-beater haters, etc, here this:
MUCH BETTER than any of them has tried to keep me down. Yet, here I am, closer everyday. So busy I can't sleep more than 6 hours.
But yet, they say "It can't be you." You are TOO LOUD, too cocky, too this or that.
I say, keep the nay-saying coming. Italian's don't respond as well to praise.
Either it has been taught as a one pattern fits all, or two patterns plus RFT plus PSCT, etc. etc.
I know I am the guy, becuase I am the only one who can get it to the masses.
As far as The Golf Channel, Playa Brian's, Book Literalists, Chest-beater haters, etc, here this:
MUCH BETTER than any of them has tried to keep me down. Yet, here I am, closer everyday. So busy I can't sleep more than 6 hours.
But yet, they say "It can't be you." You are TOO LOUD, too cocky, too this or that.
I say, keep the nay-saying coming. Italian's don't respond as well to praise.
EdZ said:
rundmc said:
The 'wheel rim' - 7-23 and the hands - 5-0
Visualize your hands, the pressure points, moving through 3 dimensional space, on THEIR plane, back and through.
The line on the ground they trace is inside the ball-target line (because of design of club), basically your toe line (for a steep plane angle), or between your toe line and target line (turned shoulder plane).
Hands at impact fix, to hands at top defines your plane angle (third point is a spot/line on the ground between target line and toe line).
Effectively the plane that FORCE moves on during a zero shift motion.
birdie_man
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Hahaha...(go get em Rock).
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