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During the golf broadcast today. The announcers were talking about Elkington's golf swing and saying that he had been working with TGM, but now he was back to his old natural swing. Made it sound like he had gotten bored and experimented with TGM but had given it up.
 

matt

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I heard this. I think it was Phil Blackmar who made the comment. He said something like Steve had "abandoned TGM." I think this most likely means that Steve has "abandoned Ben Doyle." Ben is seen as the face of TGM and sometimes as TGM. If someone leaves Ben, they also "leave TGM."
 
Phil Blackmar said Elkington had become a devotee of TGM but thought he had given it up. I could have sworn the other announcer said something to the effect "That's why he must be swinging better." The comments really seemed to trash TGM>
 

Jim Kobylinski

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Thats interesting because they showed a clip of him hitting his second shot into 18 today and it suuuuuure looked like a hitting procedure to me:

-setup with the FLW and BRW
-ball a little further back in the stance to promote a draw since hitting leads to a fade (the pin was tucked front left on top of a hill)
-you could actually see the cross-lateral hip slide

Suuuure....abondoned TGM did he :-\
 
quote:Originally posted by jim_0068

Thats interesting because they showed a clip of him hitting his second shot into 18 today and it suuuuuure looked like a hitting procedure to me:

-setup with the FLW and BRW
-ball a little further back in the stance to promote a draw since hitting leads to a fade (the pin was tucked front left on top of a hill)
-you could actually see the cross-lateral hip slide

Suuuure....abondoned TGM did he :-

Elk was never a hitter I believe I read where someone had asked Elkington about swinging/hitting and he responded "always swinging never hitting" or something to that effect. Everyones swing motion could be cataloged some way by TGM, but that doesn't mean their using TGM to build there swing by. I saw the swing you're referring to. Looked to me that he was just making adjustments to account for the downhill lie and the type of shot he was trying to play. :)
 

hue

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quote:Originally posted by matt

I heard this. I think it was Phil Blackmar who made the comment. He said something like Steve had "abandoned TGM." I think this most likely means that Steve has "abandoned Ben Doyle."

Brian: Is Elkington no longer working with Bedn Doyle?
 

Mathew

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quote:Originally posted by bsbsbs

During the golf broadcast today. The announcers were talking about Elkington's golf swing and saying that he had been working with TGM, but now he was back to his old natural swing. Made it sound like he had gotten bored and experimented with TGM but had given it up.

Alot of Golf Instructors and critics are generally swinging spastics (alot who probably never get laid by anything other than by hags fresh from Macbeth) who want quick answers to everything and then commits to a collection of bollocks from those 'tips' to form their swing phylosophy. They then want to smear crap at anyone that isn't their friend in their constipated clique following the same ****.

These so called teachers are hyped by corporate idiots who spend more time shoving the corporate cocks up each others piehole and congratulating themselves on how congested they are as they pack each other.
 
quote:Originally posted by Mathew
Alot of Golf Instructors and critics are generally swinging spastics (alot who probably never get laid by anything other than by hags fresh from Macbeth) who want quick answers to everything and then commits to a collection of bollocks from those 'tips' to form their swing phylosophy. They then want to smear crap at anyone that isn't their friend in their constipated clique following the same ****.

These so called teachers are hyped by corporate idiots who spend more time shoving the corporate cocks up each others piehole and congratulating themselves on how congested they are as they pack each other.

I don't think that little tirade was completely appropriate. Some could argue that it was a little offensive even. When the statement that Elkington was no longer using the TGM as a basis for his swing(wether he is or isn't) it was more like when Notah Begay gave up his modified Natural Golf. Dissed may have been a strong word. It would have been interesting had it been a telecast with CBS/USA where Bobby Clampett would have been there and what he would have added.

The venom with which some people defend TGM is what steers many people away from it. As they say "the proof is in the puding" without a big name teacher who is TGM certified whose students start tearing it up consistently, TGM will always be looked at as another way to play, correctly or not. Obviously you don't have to know about TGM to win millions on tour. And there are some pros, teachers etc.. who have more sucess with a less is more approach. Litzke didn't want to know anything about his swing he just kept doing it again and again and again. Brian is a great teacher, without TGM he would still be a great teacher. Elkington with or without TGM will still be a great ballstriker. If you throw enough crap against the wall eventually some of it will stick. Holenone can prove his beliefs in TGM. Don't try to make yourself look good by making someone else look bad everybody is somebody's child and there is no reason to make mass generalizations about people.

Sorry about the length.
 
quote:Originally posted by bsbsbs

quote:Originally posted by Mathew
Alot of Golf Instructors and critics are generally swinging spastics (alot who probably never get laid by anything other than by hags fresh from Macbeth) who want quick answers to everything and then commits to a collection of bollocks from those 'tips' to form their swing phylosophy. They then want to smear crap at anyone that isn't their friend in their constipated clique following the same ****.

These so called teachers are hyped by corporate idiots who spend more time shoving the corporate cocks up each others piehole and congratulating themselves on how congested they are as they pack each other.

I don't think that little tirade was completely appropriate. Some could argue that it was a little offensive even. When the statement that Elkington was no longer using the TGM as a basis for his swing(wether he is or isn't) it was more like when Notah Begay gave up his modified Natural Golf. Dissed may have been a strong word. It would have been interesting had it been a telecast with CBS/USA where Bobby Clampett would have been there and what he would have added.

The venom with which some people defend TGM is what steers many people away from it. As they say "the proof is in the puding" without a big name teacher who is TGM certified whose students start tearing it up consistently, TGM will always be looked at as another way to play, correctly or not. Obviously you don't have to know about TGM to win millions on tour. And there are some pros, teachers etc.. who have more sucess with a less is more approach. Litzke didn't want to know anything about his swing he just kept doing it again and again and again. Brian is a great teacher, without TGM he would still be a great teacher. Elkington with or without TGM will still be a great ballstriker. If you throw enough crap against the wall eventually some of it will stick. Holenone can prove his beliefs in TGM. Don't try to make yourself look good by making someone else look bad everybody is somebody's child and there is no reason to make mass generalizations about people.

Sorry about the length.

:D
 
quote:Originally posted by jim_0068

Thats interesting because they showed a clip of him hitting his second shot into 18 today and it suuuuuure looked like a hitting procedure to me:

-setup with the FLW and BRW
-ball a little further back in the stance to promote a draw since hitting leads to a fade (the pin was tucked front left on top of a hill)
-you could actually see the cross-lateral hip slide

Suuuure....abondoned TGM did he :-

that means NOTHING. Plenty of (most pga tour players) when analyzed you can see elements that TGM describes. Dosent mean that they studied or even know about TGM. So, if Elk used a "swinger's procedure, would that mean he is still studying/using TGM? EVERY player has to use one or the other.....
 

4D1

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quote:Originally posted by jim_0068

Thats interesting because they showed a clip of him hitting his second shot into 18 today and it suuuuuure looked like a hitting procedure to me:

-setup with the FLW and BRW
-ball a little further back in the stance to promote a draw since hitting leads to a fade (the pin was tucked front left on top of a hill)
-you could actually see the cross-lateral hip slide

Suuuure....abondoned TGM did he :-

Well, in all honesty, you could say that Michael Jordan was an avid student of Newton since his movements coincide with Newton's theories of motion. :)
 
What constitutes a "Big Name Teacher" anyways? Backing from Corporate America? No thanks! You can pay the $400 an hour.
And, Isn't the beauty of TGM that it is composed of complementary elements. TGM need not apologize for not having a quote, "Big Name Teacher" or the fact that you could see elements of TGM when Elk pured that mid-iron to 6 inches from the cup.
 
quote:Originally posted by corky05

What constitutes a "Big Name Teacher" anyways? Backing from Corporate America? No thanks! You can pay the $400 an hour.
And, Isn't the beauty of TGM that it is composed of complementary elements. TGM need not apologize for not having a quote, "Big Name Teacher" or the fact that you could see elements of TGM when Elk pured that mid-iron to 6 inches from the cup.

I agree with what may or may not constitute a "big name teacher", but unfortunately if TGM is to have any mainstream status, that is what the puplic perception has to be. When you look at results with students, Brian is a big name teacher, Chuck Evans is a big name teacher, Holenone is a big name teacher, but that is not what sells books and videos. I would much rather have someone that I know can teach, teach me than someone who is a commercial success. And TGM owes no one an apology, but as has been stated before TGM is not a method its a catalog of the various components of the golf swing. Obviously there are some ways that are better than others in constructing a machine, but your going to see the components in anyones swing period. I think TGM offers a lot to the golf student, but just because you can label every component of a swing with a number and a letter doesn't make that the best way to teach or learn. It's like a student of Harvey Penicks who made a statement to the effect ..."you never talked about that aspect of my swing" to which he replied more or less "you always did it properly there was no need to discuss it."
 
Keep your cool. TGM will survive with or without Steve Elkington.
There are many who believe in TGM. While I can't say TGM is "the way" (Mr. Kelley wouldn't like that). It is a system based on Laws. "Those who know how precise it can be, know best how precise it needs to be," says Homer. So fear not. I believe that with the continued good works of those instructors that post on this forum and other TGM related forums, there will be many machines to come (those that will surpass the Elkingtons and shine a new dawn).
Elkington may be searching for something missing inside himself. Who knows? He may be even be back. If not, we should look to the future. The truth is out there!
 

ppg

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mathew , you are a good tgm advocate, but in your comments you show signs of a commy pinko. You euro people always feel like most problems are caused by corporations.God bless capitalism and (PISS ON THE WEAK) Quit slamming corporate america ,Go get yours, just worry about yourself, be the best you can be and the market will pay what your worth and will judge you for how it benefits them.Don't bring that euro trash thinking in here.God bless USA and for each individual that goes out and gets what they want.Quit being a whiner.
 
quote:Originally posted by ppg

mathew , you are a good tgm advocate, but in your comments you show signs of a commy pinko. You euro people always feel like most problems are caused by corporations.God bless capitalism and (PISS ON THE WEAK) Quit slamming corporate america ,Go get yours, just worry about yourself, be the best you can be and the market will pay what your worth and will judge you for how it benefits them.Don't bring that euro trash thinking in here.God bless USA and for each individual that goes out and gets what they want.Quit being a whiner.
Whoa, easy fella. First, Mathew is English not a euro. Perhaps a socialist but not a commie just because he used the word corporation is less then a cheery way. I'm American, I hate corporations, I fight for workers rights and I'm 100 percent American. So... ease up. The world would be better off with less 'ugly americans"- that's a literary reference not a hygiene one.

And God can't bless America without blessing the rest of the world - that's just the way HE is. Funny kinda omnidude isn't HE.

Lets shake nine irons, be friends and lets go back trashing each others interpretation of chapter two.
 

ppg

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njmp2, i apreciate your thoughts. :)I just can not stand people who slam corps, yet they enjoy so many benefits from it. (just a thought why can't the individual stick up for themselves, why do you have to stick up for them?Do they not have a brain?
 

ppg

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PS. who runs things if small biz, corps don't inovate and create. THE GOVERMENT.YEA, thats the answer.( what a joke)
 
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