" Most people can't think, most of the remainder won't think, the small fraction who do think mostly can't do it very well. The extremely tiny fraction who think regulary, accurately,creatively, and without self-delusion in the long run, these are the only people who count."(Robert Heilen)
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Because of the very nature of "The Golfing Machine", it will of course be touted as being applicable to everyone's swing. Much in the same way as stated earlier, we must all be studying Newton because what we're doing is applicable under his body of work.
It is good to have a catalog of all events produced (or humanly possible to produce) for the golf swing, but just having that data does NOT make you a better player. Even if you are able to recite the text word for word, that does not make you an excellent player or teacher. It's about the mind. In effect, we all have to become our own little psychologists. Detecting where our deprevities lay, and applying the proper process. One way of doing it, focuses on the mind body connection. And yet others focus on the mind CLUB connection, circumventing the control of body and replacing it with simply an intent.
It is good to have a catalog of all events produced (or humanly possible to produce) for the golf swing, but just having that data does NOT make you a better player. Even if you are able to recite the text word for word, that does not make you an excellent player or teacher. It's about the mind. In effect, we all have to become our own little psychologists. Detecting where our deprevities lay, and applying the proper process. One way of doing it, focuses on the mind body connection. And yet others focus on the mind CLUB connection, circumventing the control of body and replacing it with simply an intent.
I was giving Mathew his deserving place in history. The Visigoths, Lombards, Goths, Normans, Franks, Vandels, Slovic, Gaul and the Moors make up Europe while the highly proud Brits remain well...British.quote:Originally posted by dclaryjr
Interesting...I didn't realize England was no longer part of Europe. When did this happen?
And the best 'way' -- The Golfing Machine -- does both. Per Chapter 14:
"Computer Programmers [that is, golfers learning the Stroke] must have, or develop, "visualization" to mentally SEE the causes and consequences of given actions (1-L) and accurately translate those actions into a bodily equivalent (5-0). To teach (program) there must be accurate information available. But self-discipline is the catalyst for acheivement. Set reachable goals and timetables and set to work. "
And then this...
"But finally may come the time when the intended Ball behavior could be all the conscious programming you'll need to do."
I believe the reason you have had problems with its (no apostrophe, it's not a contraction) advocates comes directly from your bashing of what they say not who they are. Until the past month or so you never accepted even the most basic principles. You can dish it out but you could never take it back. I'm glad to see that the book and folks like Yoda, Brian, Chuck and Laville among many-many others changed not only your swing but your vocabulary.
Gee thanks for your complement, it brings fuzzy and warm feelings deep to my heart
Its ok, you have an inferiority complex and it's fully justified.
Whilst I'd like to see things from your point of view but I can't seem to get my head up my ass far enough.
After meeting you, I've decided that I am in favour of abortion in cases of incest. Anyone who told you to be yourself couldn't have given you worse advice. You are down to earth but not quite far down enough. You are living proof that manure can grow legs and walk.
<pisses radioactive infectious piss on ppg>
Ahhhh needed that [8D] !
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With a mind like yours, who needs a body?
I'd like to leave you with one thought ... but I'm not sure you have a place to put it!
I guess this is why I got kicked out of the foriegn servive corp after college. I could never smooth over a hot issue.
BTW: The strong should never allow the weak to starve. Being strong without compassion is un-American, at least the America I was raised in.
And the lean live longer.
Mathew, Just a question. Should a government solve your problems, or should you get off your skinny ass and think as a individual and not have this socialist group mentality that you deserve what other people have worked for,(distribution of wealth, Take from the rich and give to the poor)?Njmp2, i apreciate you trying to defuse things with humor.
There has been a long standing practice of criticizing my punctuation and spelling. If it's done in an effort to help, I appreciate that. In your case however, I'm rather suspect of its (look ma, no apostrophy) intent. I realize that in that particular case it was not in the form of a conjunction but rather as the possesive form of the pronoun "it". Despite my many grammatical errors, it may surprise you that I am an award winning forensic speaker. Sometimes ones ability to USE the English language is not as susinct with ones ability to type it. Oh well..
My previous disgressions and arguments perhaps have started with a statement which others found counter to their understanding. It's their REACTION to those statements which is inappropriate. Part of my life is devoted to helping people play better golf. I am willing to go down whatever path is necessary to help them succeed, including using myself as a guinea pig. My relunctance to accept some of those things which are in TGM in no way should make me a poorer teacher. In fact, I view all things with great skepticism. It takes a lot for me to be persuaded... and personal attacks tend to have the opposite effect on me as I have stated time and time and time and time again. I have rarely agreed with Dave due to the personal nature of his statements. I'm unsure of Chuck... and still a little shaky about Brian. But I sense that there are some people here who truely do wish to help anyone and everyone understand what the book "The Golfing Machine" has to say. For them, I am very grateful. It's esspecially helpful when a "You are correct" message appears from them. If all they did was tell me I"m wrong, how could anyone expect me or anyone else for that matter, to listen to them? This is why teaching is an art form which takes time to develop. You have to know when to say what, and how to say it.
The process I have been personally using for my TGM understanding and application is the following:
Try to focus my intent on the movement of the body part in question. Observe what it does to the clubs motion. Try to understand how this will enhance or detract from that clubs motion. Change the intention TO that motion of the club. Record and observe the changes with camera, and compare to previous swings.
It is my belief that a continual focus on body movements will only detract from a persons swing. Understanding how that movement ties into the overall objective is extreamly important. Once that is understood, then all one needs to do is focus on the objective and inheritly the correct body movement will follow. I believe this is similar to what you are quoting. If I am mistaken please feel free to comment.
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Mathew, Just a question. Should a government solve your problems, or should you get off your skinny ass and think as a individual and not have this socialist group mentality that you deserve what other people have worked for,(distribution of wealth, Take from the rich and give to the poor)?Njmp2, i apreciate you trying to defuse things with humor.
I can see your point, but I still think you're full of sh*t. And remember I'm not being rude, you're just insignificant.
Anyways while we are asking questions, I have one of my own. If I put my ear onto your ear - would I hear the ocean ? and also if wit were sh*t, would you be constipated?
Why don't we start a thread intitled " I HATE YOU " and everybody who wants to go a round with somebody can and that way if someone who actually wants to do a little learning sees a topic that interests them. They can read it rather than have to weed thru 10 pages of "you're an idiot" "no, you're an idiot" ,"but you suck" , "but u suck worse" whoever said golf is a game of gentlemen never went to a discussion forum. A little dignity and respect for your fellow man, a common ground brought most people to this site, agree to disagree and get over it.
And if that doesn't work ask yourself this question.....
Why am I sofa king we tah did??
And if that doesn't work ask yourself this question.....
Why am I sofa king we tah did??
MATHEW ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!!!YOU CAN'T BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO CLUE?YOU JUST SPOUT OFF WHAT PROBABLY YOUR COKED UP MOM, WHO BREAST FED YOU FOR TOO LONG INDOCTRINATED YOU TO BELIEVE ABOUT THE FREE MARKET SOCIETY.YOU CAN NOT COMPETE AND YOU DO NOT WANT RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR DECISIONS IN YOUR LIFE.SO YOU SOCIALIST RELY ON THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE CARE OF YOU.JUST LIKE MOMMY DID BEFORE SHE GOT HOOKED ON CRACK AND STARTED SELLING HER BODY FOR MONEY.
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