TGM in 12 Weeks

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FanofHogan

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I wouldnt dislike the book being brought up if like the other poster said, there were some pictures to go with it. I hate to sound like a dummy, but as well versed in TGM as Yoda/Holenone is, I often get about halfway through his posts and am turned off by the wording. Maybe that is the only way he can explain it, but I just get lost in the translation. I think the articles that Brian has done and posted here are pretty much that, TGM thoughts put to pictures without the jargon thrown in to confuse people. I am a mechanical engineer and even I cant follow the stuff half the time. It just gets too stinking wordy. I know this debate has raged for ever on this and every other golf forum. But many people as much as they WANT to learn TGM get discouraged by the wording. I dont always agree with the way Brian approaches debates and discussions. But i have never questioned his knowledge. I have also learned a tremendous amount about my golf swing from just a few emails with Redgoat. I looked at the TGM forum today at lunch and was immediately lost. It was like I had just opened the book again and started reading. Maybe I am the only one that feels this way, but it just seems that I need a secret TGM decoder ring to follow along. :D
 
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I know this is not a TGM site, per se, but I thought we could form a simple study group. I couldn't get anybody to tell me what 'impact fix' was for 6 months on the TGM site. Yoda has an absolutely amazing grasp of the concepts of TGM, and I admire that. But the TGM guys only like to speak about highly specialized issues amongst themselves, rather than explaining things like what pp#3 is to a newcomer. I literally understand Einstein's relativity concepts of time dilation and space warping more easily than some TGM concepts like plane shifting and drag loading. So I propose the balance of this thread be devoted to each of us having a license to ask the others those questions that we are afraid to be totally ignorant and stupid.

I'll humble myself and start: How in the heck can pp#1, 2 & 4 be 'pressure points' and tell me like I'm a six year old how I can incorporate their 'sensors' into my swing?(I actually grasp pp#3).
 
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No offense to anyone but, the posters that use the most TGM language, that quote from the book are good hearted supporters of Homer, with wonderful intentions and God bless their enthusiasm to learn and share information, but... probably don’t know the book or concept that well, at least not yet. Take the step and work through it. I love how Arizona put it, “The more you know, the more you get.” Built on it.

As I said, this is not a TGM forum, so let Brian direct the forum as he wants.
There are two TGM forums, the official site which is hard-core and Chuck’s site that is easier to understand because the questions are basic. That said, once you know the "lingo" two TGMers can talk and have no mistake about what they mean. Two TGMers can give lesson to each other froma distance. It is one of the beauties Homer left behind.
To the folks that still think the book, lets see, here is how some put it to me once ... really have little interest in reading the D_mn thing! I want to improve MY golf swing, not know The Book, or I could read and understand the stupid book if I chose to... to those who think it is useless, listen – it’s all about swing improvement not knowing chapters. But you still need to look over the book at the very least. From some of you I see from year to year the same swing problems you always had. The book is a guide. You can understand it with just a little homework. You can only get a near perfect swing and that leads to great golf. And who doesn’t smile at great golf.
If no one answers your pp questions, let me know I'll get back to you. But if you were six, like I did with my son, I'd teach you the flying wedges because all good things stem from them.
 
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pp1 IS PRESSURE OF THE RT. PALM ON THE LEFT THUMB.PP#2 IS FIRST 3 FINGERS OF LEFT HAND. PP4 IS THE CONNECTION OF LEFT ARM AND SHOULDER.
CHUCK EVANS IS WORKING HERE AT THE MESA AZ. RANGE AND ASKING SOMEONE WHO KNOWS IS TOO MUCH FUN.
 
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TYORKE1

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6bee1dee, You again hit it on the head, I for one think TGM is very good, but do I want to learn the lingo, well not at this time but I do like the swing discussions , I enjoy the concepts of TGM in the manor I can understand it without studing the book. I did once have the book but did not know anything about these forums and had a difficult time in the translation. Thanks to you my backswing is much simplier and am striking the ball very well , thanks and feel free to give your thoughts on the fling wedges, TIM
 
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Mathew

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I think some people are put off by the style and the complexity, but once you get used to it... its really not that bad - I learn something from it each day I read it...
 
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For ME, the book is very confusing at times, but i will admit , the more i read it, i gain a little more understanding. Going from site to site is what i do to try to understand a concept.
But people that learn from simply reading are different than people that are more VISUAL, i am more visual,and it has been said on many occasions that a concept is hard to explain, but cant be shown in a few seconds.

I need more HOW TO info, or pics demonstrating a procedure.
 
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4D1

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quote:Originally posted by denny.

pp1 IS PRESSURE OF THE RT. PALM ON THE LEFT THUMB.PP#2 IS FIRST 3 FINGERS OF LEFT HAND. PP4 IS THE CONNECTION OF LEFT ARM AND SHOULDER.
CHUCK EVANS IS WORKING HERE AT THE MESA AZ. RANGE AND ASKING SOMEONE WHO KNOWS IS TOO MUCH FUN.
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Thanks for DEFINING these. But what about giving me an example of APPLYING, say , pp#4. By way of example, you can use the sensing characteristic of pp#3 to monitor clubhead lag.
 
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EdZ

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To understand PP4, a headcover under the left armpit, or imagine keeping the "7" (Austin), the angle between your lead arm and shoulder line constant - the angle may lessen, but it should never increase until after impact
 
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dude

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quote:Originally posted by 4D1

What is "sameness" in understandable terms?
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quote:Originally posted by EdZ

sameness - the ways in which all players must abide by the (same)laws of physics and geometry

in a nutshell, the three imparatives
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quote:Originally posted by 4D1

Sameness as opposed to what? What is Homer trying to get across by discussing this concept?
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quote:Originally posted by EdZ

As opposed to the various acceptable ways/combinations of accomplishing the three imparatives (and essentials)

The various ways of supporting the on plane force in balance, of arriving at a 'law obiding' impact condition
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For definition of how Homer used "sameness" and "differences" I would suggest that one visits 1-J, 2nd paragraph. It has little to do with Laws, 3 imperatives or the 3 essentials. Then move on down to paragraph 4. Remember we are dealing with cause and means. Homer preferred that term over cause and effect.

One more small little suggestion. When using Homer's work as a study, make sure you grab a dictionary. It may be one of the most used books that he implemented in his study which should give any student some comfort in understanding the words Homer used and his reasoning for such phraseology.

Have fun and thanks.

golfingrandy
 
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dude

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quote:Originally posted by EdZ

To understand PP4, a headcover under the left armpit, or imagine keeping the "7" (Austin), the angle between your lead arm and shoulder line constant - the angle may lessen, but it should never increase until after impact
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For those who may have attended a Workshop not long ago, one of the things stressed was that any type of item under one's armpit is not a true description of how PP #4 functions. We gave the example of VJ and how while attempting to use a drill of this nature, actually broke a rib. VJ may be the #1 golfer for now but may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer. VJ actually put a ball under or in his armpit. Da!! Here's your sign.

Remember that a potential power source becomes possible as an item or part is taken out of its in line condition. How does this deal with #4? From address to the top of the swing, the left arm is thrown across the chest. In doing so, the left arm and club goes from a straight line look like this (l) at address until at the top it is more like (/). Now thats some real poor examples but, I think you get my drift. From the top one then would apply right shoulder thrust that would actuate the #4 PP point to be released. This would send the left arm and club blasting off and seeking or returning to it's inline condition. Nothing should be used that would deter this from happening.

So I would suggest to forget the VJ drill thingy, the Ballard kerchief, the Lead's tie your arms to your side and all that other rubbish.

Thanks

golfingrandy
 
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MizunoJoe

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Note that "the left arm is thrown across the chest" means visually, viewed from the front, and does not mean contact with the chest.
 
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DDL

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Dude,

SO pp#4 is created only at startdown, and only very briefly? SO when one is applying extensor action and bending the right arm on the backstroke, accumulator #4 is created, but not pp#4, not yet until startdown?


Thx
 
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quote:Originally posted by 4D1

quote:Originally posted by denny.

pp1 IS PRESSURE OF THE RT. PALM ON THE LEFT THUMB.PP#2 IS FIRST 3 FINGERS OF LEFT HAND. PP4 IS THE CONNECTION OF LEFT ARM AND SHOULDER.
CHUCK EVANS IS WORKING HERE AT THE MESA AZ. RANGE AND ASKING SOMEONE WHO KNOWS IS TOO MUCH FUN.
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Thanks for DEFINING these. But what about giving me an example of APPLYING, say , pp#4. By way of example, you can use the sensing characteristic of pp#3 to monitor clubhead lag.
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4D1,

The general idea on the Downswing is that the hands and, also, the left arm, beat the clubhead to the ball, i.e., the Clubhead "lags" behind the left arm and hands. This Clubhead Lag creates a feeling of heaviness or "presure point" that can be sensed and, therefore, monitored to be sure the hands arrive first.

As an example, take some easy, continuous warm-up swings using only the rotation of your torso to transport the arms and club on the Downswing. You should feel the rotating torso pushing the left arm along; if you don't feel it, keep your left arm inert and turn the torso a little faster. Where you feel the torso pushing the left arm is a "Pressure Point" (the #4 Pressure Point). You feel it because the Clubhead weight is lagging behind the left arm. Thus, you can make sure the left arm gets to the ball first by monitoring the #4 Pressure Point and making sure it always beats the Clubhead to the ball. In effect, the Pressure Point replaces the Clubhead as your point of concentration.

If you lose the pressure before the Clubhead gets to the ball, then you have lost the lag. Once you learn to have the Pressure Point(s) beat the clubhead to the ball, you are on the way to powerful, three-dimensional contact.
 
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DDL

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quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

As Yoda once told some of us, read a chapter and get better. Read a chapter and you own it.
Got a question, ask it, there are no stupid questions. Questions seek answers, not pass judgements.
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Hope someone can confirm or correct me on this, but didn't Einstein once say if one studied a subject 15 minutes a day, then one would become an expert on that subject in a year and a national expert in 5 years? I hope that wasn't Marcie from the Peanuts comic strip I was quoting.
 
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