The Best Post on The Manzella Forum Contest!

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mrodock

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I think it would be outstanding if a bunch of people paste the posts they found to be the most illuminating and original. Reading through this entire site would be quite a project, so this might be a very useful way for people to get a tremendous amount out of an hour of reading. Perhaps this might end up being worthy of a sticky?

Thanks,

Matt
 
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Brian Manzella

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Sounds like a great idea.

So....here we go.

Contest will consist of members submitting a post "in quotes," with reference to the thread and disscussion.

You HAVE TO also vote—at least once—for any OTHER entry. You can also NOT enter and still vote.

You can enter as many posts as you like, but the first one with a post "owns it," so-to-speak.

Winner wins a very rare DOUBLE Hogan print, with printer's marks.

Contest ends on Sat. March 25th at 12pm.
 
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Brian Manzella

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EXAMPLE (one of my favorites):

From the "Never Hook Again....Best Instructional Video Ever" thread, this post by Brian Manzella (me)

"I sure hope this review doesn't hurt anyone's feelings.

It was—in my opinion—a very well thought out review.

My "Do It Right" beta was skewered (it deserves it) too.

There is a very important sidebar to all of this:

What EXACTLY are different instructors SELLING....

For instance: What was David Leadbetter doing at the 1998 (or 1996) PGA Summit in New Orleans?

He made EVERY GOLFER squat on their right leg on the backswing....NO MATTER WHAT!!!

Half of them started SHANKING IT....(because they NEEDED somthing else).

But Lead was selling his 1990's swing....

Get it?

I sell improvement—based on science—tested on myself and 1000's of students—what ever WAY a particlualr students needs...according to me....RIGHT NOW—improvement without BASTARDIZTION—custom designed stroke patterns from my eye and experience....

EXPLAINed in a way—or a hundred ways—that you can understand.

In short: Golfing Machine for everyone...not just Golfing Machine junkies.

For David Toms, who cringes when I utter the phrase "Golfing Machine."

For Diggerdog, who loves all the verbage, but loves to get it Manzella-ized.

For Gordy Gahm, my best customer (I teach his whole family—all 6 of 'em, as well as several of his friends), who will give me 10 seconds to use a TGM term and then DEMAND that I "make sense of it."

For my 75 year old beginner and my 20 month old 'little buddy' and my UofL Beginner Class...

and all of you on this forum."
 
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HERE IS THE WINNER: "What Brian Manzella teaches"

Posted - April 19 2004 : 1:50:51 PM
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"Neutral" Under-the-heel pad Grip.

90 degrees through the belt-line posture and 'hand height' with parallel-to-the-ground neck.

Very Slight right side bend at address, only enough to get the right hand lower and the right elbow slightly bent.

Early 'set' for beginners/slicers/and recovering hackers, much later set for good players.

Left thumb supported Flat left wrist at the top.

Around-the-SPINE backswing pivot.

Ground-up Down-cocking.

Student-by-student determination of single downswing plane or shift to the elbow plane.

As much trigger delay as needed...no problem with maximum, but no-way with fulll-sweep (early) release.

Throw-the-drunk-off pivot action.

"MASHED" impact with slightly arched wrist.

Pure swingers, Pure Hitters and Four-barrel golfers accepted.

Full-roll for drawers, angled hinge action for pure hitters and faders only.

Finish with left thumb under the club at the finish.

Note: It has been said that LOTS of people teach what I teach...

Funny thing is, outside of students of mine, I don't know of ANY...

Maybe someone can find a teacher on the net or not who teaches the above list...maybe not.
 
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Posted - December 20 2004 : 11:25:32 AM
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Originally posted by ej20

I have been working on flattening my left wrist on the backswing and then trying to keep it flat coming back down.Will this alone absolutely guarantee against throwaway?

Throwaway is still haunting me after years of this bad habit.Are there any others moves i can try to prevent it?


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"Here are some things that might help:

1. The downswing moves Down, Out and Forward. Too much emphasis on the "Forward" can result in throwaway. Direct the force Down . . . Down . . . Down, through the ball and all the way to Low Point. The forward will take care of itself.

2. Thinking the Clubface needs to be "square" to the Target Line at impact. The Clubface is slightly open (steering).

3. Thinking the Clubhead travels "along" the Target Line; it doesn’t.

4. Thinking the Clubhead should travel on a level or upward path into Impact; it doesn’t (see #1, above).

5. No Axis Tilt, causing you to "run out of Right Arm" before the Hands reach Impact Position." Clear your hips and move the Right Shoulder Down the plane.

Good golfing!"
rwh



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Posted - October 31 2004 : 04:20:03 AM
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Originally posted by scandres

New to this forum, not very well versed in my TGM book which is quite old but not very well worn.
My hesitation from studying more TGM is my idea (perhaps flawed) that there are many swings out that are creating wonderful shots that don't employ many of the methods that are employed by TGM instructors.
Lag doesn't appear much in the swing of some of the best players (Tom Watson), but seems to be an underlying theme of all of TGM instruction I've experienced. I've actually found that teaching throwaway with the Tac-Tic on the right wrist produces a more loaded delivery.
The graphic Brian has above his name shows a position that I've found difficult to get rid of in better players (Gary Hallberg, Brad Faxon) where the left wrist gets out too far in front of the shaft at impact.
I've been very impressed with this forum, I hope my post isn't viewed as being critical, I'm just looking for more insight.

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"This is no offense to you but your post is why so many people have a bad view of TGM because they don't know a lot about it and assume it is a "model" as you said in your post.

TGM is not a model nor has a "model" swing. It has a few imperatives that all players have and then the rest of the book dicusses COMPONENTS AND WAYS OF SWINGING OR HITTING. THATS IT.

Whether you look at the triple shift of Furyk (in the book) or Stadler's pure hitting action (in the book), you should be able to find somethign that works for the student you are working with.

Again this wasn't to be mean but you have to understand that TGM isn't a "how to play golf" or "a kind of model golf" it is a way to figure out hot "YOU PLAY GOLF!"

jim_0068



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mrodock

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This what you had in mind Brian?

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Posted - May 19 2004 : 8:56:29 PM
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Not the worst lesson I ever had, but something that has been done by many pros, good and bad, that I hate is when the guy comes up behind me, wraps his arms around my body, his nether-regions pressed too close to my caboose for comfort, his breath stinking real bad, his mouth too close to my ear for comfort (if a cop rides by and doesn't see a club in my hands, we're both arrested), he grabs the club while my hands are on it, I have no idea what he is fixing to show me or where the club is going, and then he says's, "man, your holding the club way too tight" as the grip melts between my fingers.
 
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Posted - December 21 2004 : 1:31:47 PM
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It has been said many times on the board, but the 'sound' of impact, of proper impact, is something 'most' people haven't heard.

I highly recommend working with just your putter on an indoor practice mat, keeping down, out, forward and 'feeling lag pressure in your hands' - until you 'hear' impact.

Chances are, you'll know it when you hear it

Down, out, forward - hands leading - lag pressure points in the hands

repeat

Down, out, forward - hands leading - lag pressure points in the hands

let the club 'swing'

Support the on plane swinging force in balance
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Another favorite....
Posted - April 02 2004 : 3:51:40 PM
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Originally posted by brianman

Where is the target, ed?

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In your mind Brian
 
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Posted - November 18 2005 : 4:22:45 PM
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The point of my posts above is try to get people who kiss arse to the genius and physical ability of great players like Hogan and Moe Norman, to stop belittling themselves. As great as Tiger is, I see kids all the time in the gym who are bigger and stronger than him. If people would realize their own potential, most of us could hit the ball flush and straight just about every time. My philosophy is, never blame yourself for a bad shot, blame your technique or erroneous information. The average golfer can't succeed very well because of misinformatiion, or lack of valid information. The golf ball is
merciless in it's appraisal...

Yet, if you have the right information and do the right things, the golf ball doesn't care if you are Ben Hogan or David Alford, it will yield..."
David Alford



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Hands down this takes the cake . . .

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Posted - December 12 2005 : 2:25:20 PM
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Well, my wife just got a tummy tuck and a boob job for christmas, so I need to make sure she gets a month to recover before I can leave the house. ;)

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Archie,

Was that her Christmas present...or yours?
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I saw 420 CC and thought you were talking about drivers! Good for you! Truly a Christmas gift that keeps on giving.

Congrats!


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Posted - December 15 2005 : 3:31:48 PM
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I guess she effectively has two Big Berthas for a rack now.

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Archie Swivel: A proud father!





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Posted - December 15 2005 : 6:15:53 PM
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LMAO...i feel like a moron. I thought this was all a big joke but i guess she really did have surgury.

Hope she feels better!

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I'm not TGM or PGA certified, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night


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Posted - December 15 2005 : 10:10:29 PM
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That's ok dude. She's doped up on hydrocodone, but no way will she agree for me to post even a clad picture of her with the new cans. Sorry.
 
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quote:Originally posted by rundmc

Hands down this takes the cake . . .

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Posted - December 12 2005 : 2:25:20 PM
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Well, my wife just got a tummy tuck and a boob job for christmas, so I need to make sure she gets a month to recover before I can leave the house. ;)

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Archie,

Was that her Christmas present...or yours?
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I saw 420 CC and thought you were talking about drivers! Good for you! Truly a Christmas gift that keeps on giving.

Congrats!


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Posted - December 15 2005 : 3:31:48 PM
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I guess she effectively has two Big Berthas for a rack now.

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Archie Swivel: A proud father!





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Posted - December 15 2005 : 6:15:53 PM
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LMAO...i feel like a moron. I thought this was all a big joke but i guess she really did have surgury.

Hope she feels better!

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I'm not TGM or PGA certified, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night


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That's ok dude. She's doped up on hydrocodone, but no way will she agree for me to post even a clad picture of her with the new cans. Sorry.







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That's freakin' hillarious!
 
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From Sept 2003 thread "The Future of TGM"

from brianman
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I really want to say something here I feel is very important.

What about who is the BEST TEACHER? Homer was, for the most part, a researcher, and I feel like I have done as much research as teaching.

Ben ALWAYS felt that he figured out a PRACTICAL APLLICATION from the book and Homer, but also from experience and trail and error.

The Book was written this way!

I feel like I have taken the information in the book, the information from Ben, and my own THOUSANDS of hour of research, to come up with MY METHOD of getting people to hit the ball better. Like Homer said "This book EXPLAINS ALL METHODS."

Getting ALL TYPES OF GOLFERS to reach their golfing potential and have fun in the process is what I do. Isn't that what it's all about?
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My overall favorite post is from Brian when Walter Pryor passed away. It showed the quality of the man and not just the quality of the teacher.
 
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From the same "Future of TGM" thread

From Martee
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quote:Now don't get me wrong, I don't care for "Fast Willie" Leadbetter as much as the next fella on this forum, but TGM is a catalog of swings, not only one swing. If you steal from Mac, you steal from Mac, not Homer. From what I see of Mac's swing, Lead isn't even close to a real copy. Maybe the problems within TGM is that some think there is a single swing to teach disregarding all othere legit combos.



Interesting observation.

I know it drives me up the wall when someone asks who on the tour is TGM trained or has a TGM swing or what instructors teach TGM.

Doesn't exist.

Doyle teaches Doyle, Mac teaches Mac and Brian Teaches Brian.

Now they all seem to base thier golf instruction tenets on TGM. This is a good thing, makes them very well rounded to be able to troubleshoot anyone's golf swing no matter what method the golfer subscribes too. I am guessing, but I don't believe these instructors would base their solutions solely on THEIR METHOD but would base it on the golfer's swing using the knowledge from TGM encylopedia to provide a solid solution. Whereas those who know not or little of TGM will have less of a knowledge base to define a solution for the golfer's swing and may in fact have to revert back to either Conventional Golf Wisdom or thier limit the solution to thier method and experience. This can lead to the square peg in the round hole problem.

Why those don't wave TGM for all to know, I believe they are trying to establish themselves and have their method. This still doesn't mean that the only solutions they offer would be thier method based.

The true power of the golf instructor who in TGM knowledgable, THEY CAN TROUBLESHOOT any golfer swing, no matter who's method is being employed, cause they have the knowledge of the golf swing.

JMO...
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Agree with the Walter Pryor post, I thought it showed a lot of respect and realism for different types of people living in a city like New Orleans.
 
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He was one of a kind...

Here are a few classic Walter Pryor quotes...

Walter: "Lil pro, you sure are hittin' it good."

Brian: "I'm going to play in the city championship. I think I can beat anybody except Tommy Moore."

Walter: "The first thing you do when you get there, is punch Toomy Moore right in the mouth."

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Walter: "Lil pro, how are you hittin' it ?"

Brian: "Really good, I shot 72 today!"

Walter: "What are you gonna shoot when you play bad?"

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Walter: "On the tee, from Audubon Park, Brrrennt Brrrrrryannnt White!"

"On the tee, from City Park....Cholly Gambiiiiinnnnooooo.................................da Gawdfather"

"On the tee, from City Park, Michael "ICE CREAM" Feeeeenaaayyyy"

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Walter: "Michael Feeny........My favorite player"
Walter: "Brahn Mansella.......My favorite player"

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Walter: "Aim left and HIT right!"

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Walter: "You hit a fade a good a Lee Trevino, and you are trying to hit a draw?? Aim left and make sure the ball doesn't go there"

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An inner-city dude who was known for knocking a couple bad dudes off, was as New Orleans as Dr. John. Walter Pryor was a golf pro, and a minister, and was—for all practical purposes—my first teacher.

He was one of about a dozen really good black golfers who hit balls and gambled at New Orleans' City Park, before Frank Mackel came along and ruined the place.

Jimmy Cole, George "Jelly" Reno, George Airline, & Walter. They could ALL play golf. Jimmy was shot and killed, Jelly is too big and broken down to swing, and now Walter's gone too.
Only George is left to pluck the pigeons (which he still does "up east.")

Walter played in a couple PGA Tour schools, and was a good player for years, but after he stopped beating balls, he was never the same.

He—and the other blacks—taught me more about golf than anyone else besides my Dad and Ben Doyle. They would play hard—"Every man for himself and Gawd for us all"—but fair. They would TELL YOU when you had arrived as a player or had done good. THE WHITE GOOD PLAYERS WOULD NEVER DO THE SAME. Maybe that's something to think about. I played in every football environment imaginable, but found 25 years of football bliss at 99% black, Norman playground. Mike Finney even won the Black "Masters" of New Orleans—The Autocrat—and played at Norman until his knees wouldn't let him. Me, Tom and Mike all played the "Black Tour" event in New Orleans—The Early Bird, several times.

Walter KNEW I could play, and dispite the fact that I have played with 1000's, only a handful ever thought I could do it.

The DIFFERENCE with Walter is he took the TIME to help me, taught me to practice like a pro, and taught me to believe I could.

He was the first pro to ever really help me, and I never looked back.

Without his help, I may have never made it this far.

Hey Walter!

Thanks man. Thanks a lot.

(Walter Pryor was in his mid 50's)
 
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