The cause of IBF and DD syndrome?
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Maybe it's lack of proper information. Before I found TGM I felt I was stumbling around always trying to find answers and hitting dead ends, because the so called "pros" just didn't have the answers. Maybe even really good naturally talented players, just don't have the proper information on hand from good teachers to make their swings work. Maybe when they go looking for answers to take there games to the next level, they get junk in and so the cycle of junk out begins??
DD was going to both Jack Lumpkin (GA) and David Leadbetter.....
Last I heard, he's only going to Lumpkin now.
He believes in his 'natural' swing and doesn't believe his unconventional mechanics are the problem...
Leadbetter has brought Westwood back to prominence...food for thought...
BM has Baker-Finch was messed up by former Leadbetter assistant Mitchell Spearman.
Last I heard, he's only going to Lumpkin now.
He believes in his 'natural' swing and doesn't believe his unconventional mechanics are the problem...
Leadbetter has brought Westwood back to prominence...food for thought...
BM has Baker-Finch was messed up by former Leadbetter assistant Mitchell Spearman.
Brian Manzella
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David Duval needs to FULLY understand what it was that he WAS doing when he played well.
Ian Baker-Finch need to understand what he was told to do, he really wasn't SUPPOSED to actually do.
Ian Baker-Finch need to understand what he was told to do, he really wasn't SUPPOSED to actually do.
IMHO there are a number of possibilities, several of which have already been mentioned or alluded to. Part of it lies in connecting what we are trying to do with our given (natural) style. That's tied to genetics and it is ultimately self-defeating to go against it, no matter what some idealist says.
Another issue has to do with the difference between playing at the skill level and playing at the habit level. That has been documented (in principle) by Erik Erikson.
In the cases of David and Ian, we may not be privy to enough information to make an answer with full accuracy.
Another issue is the purely mental self-image picture that one may develop along the way, depending on the trip. It is quite possible for a person to have a self-image that is depressive and you won't know it unless you have access through the person's mind. It is also possible to encounter enough disappontment, as interpreted by the individual, that what once looked white will start to look gray or even black.
Bear in mind that confidence is the by-product of knowledge (of what you are doing or want to do) and the skill (turned into habit) to do it. If either of those fall into disrepair, confidence will be bruised, if not severed.
Brian Manzella
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I think my comments were VERY accurate...what does KEYGOLF and MIKE O (welcome to the forum!!) think, as well as others, about my summation?
Brian:
You are right on with DD. (I watched him play head to head against my youngest son at his home course when they were both 15 years old and finished 1&2 in the tournament. He was better then than he is now - SO go back, young man! as you said). I don't know Ian, or what he was told, well enough, but I suspect you are right again.
You are right on with DD. (I watched him play head to head against my youngest son at his home course when they were both 15 years old and finished 1&2 in the tournament. He was better then than he is now - SO go back, young man! as you said). I don't know Ian, or what he was told, well enough, but I suspect you are right again.
Brian Manzella
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Iam, poor thing, was the 1st NOTBALE golf who was LEAD POISIONED.
He actually DID exactly what the Leadbetter camp told him to.
which was JUNK.
BTW, they have since upgraded their message.
He actually DID exactly what the Leadbetter camp told him to.
which was JUNK.
BTW, they have since upgraded their message.
Brian Manzella
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good eyes shooter...
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The all time example of this "Syndrome" of course is Ralph Guldahl.
There is a story, probably by Sam Snead, that somebody had it in for Guldahl who was purportedly not the sharpest knife in the drawer, and convinced him to take lessons, from which he never recovered.
Here is a brief biography:
For a four-year period in the 1930s, Guldahl was one of the very best golfers in the world, winning two U. S. Opens and a Masters championship. Before and after that brief period, he played terrible golf and couldn't figure out why.
Guldahl first emerged at twenty-one, in the 1933 U. S. Open. Tied with Johnny Goodman, he needed a birdie on the final hole to win, a par to force a playoff. But he bogeyed the hole and finished second. Soon after that, his game fell apart and he quit in disgust. He went back to Texas and sold cars for a while, then was asked to lay out a nine-hole course. That got him involved in golf once again, and he began playing pretty well.
Back on the tour, he won the 1936 Radix Trophy with an average of 71.65 strokes per round. Guldahl became one of the few to win two consecutive Opens, in 1937 and 1938; his 1937 score of 281 was a record for the tournament. He also finished second in the Masters in both of those years, and he won the Masters in 1939, taking the lead with an eagle 3 on the thirteenth hole of the final round.
Guldahl teamed with Sam Snead to win the Inverness Four-Ball in 1940. That was his last victory. Suddenly, his game fell apart once again. He played sporadically during World War II, then quit for good.
There is a story, probably by Sam Snead, that somebody had it in for Guldahl who was purportedly not the sharpest knife in the drawer, and convinced him to take lessons, from which he never recovered.
Here is a brief biography:
For a four-year period in the 1930s, Guldahl was one of the very best golfers in the world, winning two U. S. Opens and a Masters championship. Before and after that brief period, he played terrible golf and couldn't figure out why.
Guldahl first emerged at twenty-one, in the 1933 U. S. Open. Tied with Johnny Goodman, he needed a birdie on the final hole to win, a par to force a playoff. But he bogeyed the hole and finished second. Soon after that, his game fell apart and he quit in disgust. He went back to Texas and sold cars for a while, then was asked to lay out a nine-hole course. That got him involved in golf once again, and he began playing pretty well.
Back on the tour, he won the 1936 Radix Trophy with an average of 71.65 strokes per round. Guldahl became one of the few to win two consecutive Opens, in 1937 and 1938; his 1937 score of 281 was a record for the tournament. He also finished second in the Masters in both of those years, and he won the Masters in 1939, taking the lead with an eagle 3 on the thirteenth hole of the final round.
Guldahl teamed with Sam Snead to win the Inverness Four-Ball in 1940. That was his last victory. Suddenly, his game fell apart once again. He played sporadically during World War II, then quit for good.
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I thought the Guldahl story was that someone hired him to write an instructional book. He got to looking at the pictures of his swing and thought he noticed a flaw. Come to find out, it was the angle in which the picture was taken that made it appear his allignment or something was off. Supposedly he totally lost his game trying to fix a problem that really didnt exist. Maybe I am thinking of another player.
Brian Manzella
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All of it is true...
but it proves one of MANZELLA"S 10 rules of GOLF INSTRUCTION:
"Almost always, good (and great) players, have no idea what the heck they are doing."
but it proves one of MANZELLA"S 10 rules of GOLF INSTRUCTION:
"Almost always, good (and great) players, have no idea what the heck they are doing."
FanofHogan
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Careful Brian, I am not a good palyer and definitely not a great player. And, I dont know what the heck I am doing!
Brian Manzella
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Oh yeah...NO poor players have any idea either
FanofHogan
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I leave the golf expert stuff up to you. Now, if you have any questions regarding air conditioning or heating equipment. I engineer those and have been in that business for 20 years. I can make you say brrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....
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