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Leo's Swing is certainly more powerful then before. He was hitting some shots in my driving range, and the ball picker there wasn't that happy, as he was hitting all the balls out of the fence. Compare to his drive a few months ago, he can easily land his ball at 290yds+ now. Quite impressive..."distance wise"
 
birdie_man

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quote:Originally posted by cjgolf



"It's not a hard concept to understand really."

its not a concept - its a fact

pros move there head
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I was talking about finding out what's best for yourself.
 
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EdZ

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I have often wondered why Homer listed "steady head" instead of "stable center".

Efficient force, balanced force - has a stable center. In the case of the 'base of the neck' center, that center is simply not a body part, but a point in space 'on' the base of the neck.
 
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quote:Originally posted by brianman

Without educated hands for better players and without a twistaway type backswing for slicers, Jimmy got VERY LITTLE improvement from his teaching most players—except for the fact that he did get them pumped up mentally and had 'em hit 500 balls a day.
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So....I take it twistaway is basically supposed to educate the hands?
 
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diggerdog

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Brian,

You are taking your game to the next level and it is showing all around. I am so glad to see you come into your own. I will be able to
say I knew you when. For real.

Please call when you come to Atlanta. We'll hit the Cajun Kitchen again.

My best.
 
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mb6606

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"I have often wondered why Homer listed "steady head" instead of "stable center". "

Homers video clip swing confirms that his head moves slightly side to side and down as well.
 
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MizunoJoe

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quote:Originally posted by mb6606

"I have often wondered why Homer listed "steady head" instead of "stable center". "

Homers video clip swing confirms that his head moves slightly side to side and down as well.
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And even this stable center might be hard to pinpoint as evidenced here

http://homepage.mac.com/brianmanzella/.Movies/bendoyle-fi.mov

The head moves 12" to the right on the BS and neither the head nor the base of the neck gets back to anywhere near address position until the finish.

So just where is Ben's stable center?
 
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philthevet

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Mr Doyle seems to "load" the swing in a "Manzella's like " backswing. The interesting point for me is that the head is stationary from this point till impact. Even for HK best disciple keeping the head stationary during the WHOLE SWING is not a key point.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3058/briandoyle4ey.jpg
 
Burner

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quote:Originally posted by philthevet

Mr Doyle seems to "load" the swing in a "Manzella's like " backswing. The interesting point for me is that the head is stationary from this point till impact. Even for HK best disciple keeping the head stationary during the WHOLE SWING is not a key point.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3058/briandoyle4ey.jpg
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Curiously enough, I have just sat through Ben's tape (How to build a G.O.L.F Game) before logging onto the forum.

Ben refers to keeping a stationary head if and where possible, although "momentum will cause it to move".
 
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Tball88

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Digger, I live in Alpharetta, big fan of the Cajun Food since I grew up in East Texas. About half coon-ass.

Is the Cajun Kitchen in Marietta?

Sorry guys, I know this is non-golf related.

Did shoot a 79 today with my new angled hinge swinging motion. Best I've hit the ball in a while. Still hard to keep my right hand from getting involved though..
 
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MizunoJoe

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quote:Originally posted by philthevet

Mr Doyle seems to "load" the swing in a "Manzella's like " backswing. The interesting point for me is that the head is stationary from this point till impact. Even for HK best disciple keeping the head stationary during the WHOLE SWING is not a key point.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3058/briandoyle4ey.jpg
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phil,

Thanks for the comparison photos. It didn't show Ben doing an impact fix, so since the center didn't get established until the top of the swing, how did he get properly measured from the ball?
 
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MizunoJoe

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I think he moves laterally to the right in order to put his geometrical swing center, the left shoulder, directly above the ball at impact. The low point is in front of the ball because of the tilt.
 
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EdZ

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quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

quote:Originally posted by mb6606

"I have often wondered why Homer listed "steady head" instead of "stable center". "

Homers video clip swing confirms that his head moves slightly side to side and down as well.
Click to expand...

And even this stable center might be hard to pinpoint as evidenced here

http://homepage.mac.com/brianmanzella/.Movies/bendoyle-fi.mov

The head moves 12" to the right on the BS and neither the head nor the base of the neck gets back to anywhere near address position until the finish.

So just where is Ben's stable center?
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Again - not required to be a body part - a center of BALANCE

If you are in balance, and make smooth motion, there IS a center of balance around which the forces of the swing move.

Forces do not have to be 'mapped' to a body part. Clearly though, less moving parts is more efficient, hence the concept of the 'steady head' as a way to achieve the goal of a well balanced motion.
 
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DOCW3

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quote:Originally posted by EdZ

I have often wondered why Homer listed "steady head" instead of "stable center".

Efficient force, balanced force - has a stable center. In the case of the 'base of the neck' center, that center is simply not a body part, but a point in space 'on' the base of the neck.
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In an audio, he acknowledged that the back of the neck could be more geometrically correct but felt the head involved the eyes for detecting movement.

DRW
 
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