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Please read and comment on the next paragraph of my post ... and see if that doesn't cause you to admire me ...!!!!
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the dan plan: how good can a guy get?
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Please read and comment on the next paragraph of my post ... and see if that doesn't cause you to admire me ...!!!!
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If I could travel in time back to the Larry Nelson past, of course with my high-tech equipment and golfswing, I probably could be on the Tour and win playing on those 5000 yardish courses.
He played in the Watson and late Nicklaus era. Supposedly took up the game after returning from the Vietnam War. I hope that is a hint of sarcasm in your statement.
How could it not?
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Tree of life.
Some people are content to sit inside and admire it's beauty.
Some people want others to pick some of the fruit and bring it to them.
Some people will pick their own fruit off the tree.
Some people want to climb the tree to see if they can see another bigger tree.
Some people just grab the tree and shake it to see what falls out.
Still others cut the tree down and burn it for firewood.
Some people are content to sit inside and admire it's beauty.
Some people want others to pick some of the fruit and bring it to them.
Some people will pick their own fruit off the tree.
Some people want to climb the tree to see if they can see another bigger tree.
Some people just grab the tree and shake it to see what falls out.
Still others cut the tree down and burn it for firewood.
Let me see if I got this right; it's 1980, you're gonna play all your new equipment, Larry Nelson is gonna use the equipment of that era, and you're gonna beat him. Is that's what you said?
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I think I just wet myself.
Yea he was 21 or thereabouts? He always said the pressure of a 5 footer in a major, was nothing compared to a fire fight in a 120 degree jungle in Vietnam Nam.
I doubt he will even get to 3 or 4 on pro length courses by the end of the 10,000 hours.
Players who exhibit pro potential usually get good real fast and even then it's no guarantee.
Greg Norman took up golf at 16 which is relatively late and got to scratch in 2 years.
Taking up golf in your 20's is virtually a guarantee that you will not turn pro.
Players who exhibit pro potential usually get good real fast and even then it's no guarantee.
Greg Norman took up golf at 16 which is relatively late and got to scratch in 2 years.
Taking up golf in your 20's is virtually a guarantee that you will not turn pro.
Well sure,I did carefully choose the word "virtually" guarantee.
I think the number of players who went on to become pros after starting in their 20's would be countable on the fingers of one hand.
I don't like Dan's chances.Anyone want a wager?
A fully matured adult brainlet with a stone-cold locked cortex structure cannot apply the 10,000 hour rule.... it's like spinning your wheels in the mud.... you go nowhere over a long long time ... aka trying to teach an old dog a new release...
Yep, that's how I remember the story.
As one of my old baseball coaches used to say--God rest his soul--"Never is a very long time".
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Oh... you're talking about Larry Nelson Jr. .... I was thinking of Larry Nelson Sr. from the hickory shafted era ... my bad ...
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So I play off a 9 right now, 6500 yard course average, and I've been playing since last July. I have a job, a wife, and now a child. My goal was scratch at 2 years (per Calvin Peete's story), and I'm fairly close, but I simply don't have the time to do it. It's possible. You just have to have the work ethic and not get bogged down with "thinking" and the SCIENCE of the deal and just go out there and practice like a kid. Practicing like a kid requires us to find the Billy Madison/Dale Doback/Brennan Huff inside.
One of my buddies played great golf for his college. Played since he was little kid. He decided to become a PGA pro. He tells me he has trouble teaching raw beginners, especially adults, because all the faults a beginner would make he dealt with and conquered when he was a kid. He doesn't REMEMBER making those mistakes. He probably didn't think much about the cause, rather, how to make it right instead. He also said he was basically taught OUT of being a shot maker by "coaches" his parents bought for him. It wasn't until he went back to what his dad taught him as a youngster, the very basics, that he was able to hit all the shots again.
One of my buddies played great golf for his college. Played since he was little kid. He decided to become a PGA pro. He tells me he has trouble teaching raw beginners, especially adults, because all the faults a beginner would make he dealt with and conquered when he was a kid. He doesn't REMEMBER making those mistakes. He probably didn't think much about the cause, rather, how to make it right instead. He also said he was basically taught OUT of being a shot maker by "coaches" his parents bought for him. It wasn't until he went back to what his dad taught him as a youngster, the very basics, that he was able to hit all the shots again.
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Why oh why don't you love and admire me ... what have I done to you personally that would cause your feeeelings to be so hurt or angry??!!!
I've admitted that I have more brains than talent at golf, but if you score in the 80's like I do, then you too are in the top 2% of all 50 million golfers worldwide. Not too shabby for starting rather late in life..... but if you want to consistently score in the high 70's and low 80's, you will be in the top 1%, which requires an exponential amount of practice and lessons for the likes of you and me. At some point you must gracefully stop, because of irreversible aging or life restraints. Intensively studying pics and vids and then trying to find your solution through mutual conversation and studying is somewhat ludicrous. You gotta dig it out of the dirt because there are no magic pills.
I'm no longer a striving golfer... I'm just a golffing forum expert now ...
It's nothing personal Steve. But you've adopted a forum persona that is prone to pretty wild sweeping statements, hubris and self-contradictions, but tends to duck questions.
I'm sure that's not the real you. In fact, whenever I hear forum moderators mention that they tend to see the same IP address with multiple IDs - you spring to mind.
Anyway, if we're going to talk - I don't see the need to gloss over your foibles. Since I believe that these are deliberately adopted on your part, I'd be surprised if you weren't flattered by the attention.
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To stop trying to get better would be like trying to stop breathing for me. Maybe it is just my nature but I want to see how good I can be.
I would like to think my best golf is ahead of me. Even if it is not I am not walking into the sunset backwards. You have to give Dan a little credit to sticking his neck out there and saying "this is what I am trying to do". Learning theory or no learning theory.
I would like to think my best golf is ahead of me. Even if it is not I am not walking into the sunset backwards. You have to give Dan a little credit to sticking his neck out there and saying "this is what I am trying to do". Learning theory or no learning theory.
I'm 63 and know full well my better golfing days are behind me. I don't anything physically better than I did 30 years, even 10 years ago. But I remain another "dogged victim of an inexorable fate". My latest ploy is trying to find ways to score despite my lack of strength and speed...and when that hand is played out, I'll bet I come up with another ruse. I hope so.
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That really is the great thing about golf. No matter your skill level or age or state of mind golf has challenges to offer. I see it in my kids trying to get over the creek on number two. They never looked at the water until they got big enough to drive it down the hill. I don't even look at that water unless it is to look for fish on my way over the bridge. I also see them as trying to figure out what to do now that driver is too much club on the par threes. It really is fun to observe other players too and try to figure out what they see as needing conquered. I think it would really be fun to be able to hear the thoughts of other players regarding what they see as the challenge they face. I am betting it is as varied as the swings we see.
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