The law of reversed effort

[tongzilla]

i believe its the difference between the two lines, the path and the clubface

Ok. Is there really that big a difference in cut angle between short irons and longer irons? You might swing on a flatter plane with longer irons and hence a bit more inside-out, but this is compensated by the fact that the ball is closer to low point, which means the clubhead will be less inside-out.

 

[mandrin]

tried that out in the swimming pool . funny enough when i tried to float i did and when i tried to sink i did
are you up for a some ding dong with deadly mandrin?

golfspike,

I am sure that the old bones of Lao Tzu have completely disintegrated after about 2500 years, otherwise he would definitely turn in his grave seeing his law being denied their true and universal value.

 

[mandrin]

Ok. Is there really that big a difference in cut angle between short irons and longer irons? You might swing on a flatter plane with longer irons and hence a bit more inside-out, but this is compensated by the fact that the ball is closer to low point, which means the clubhead will be less inside-out.

tongzilla,

What happened? You post contains a surprising grand total of 56 words. Woah, very impressive!

 

[tongzilla]

tongzilla,

What happened? You post contains a surprising grand total of 56 words. Woah, very impressive!

yes, impressive if replying to you.

 

[mandrin]

yes, impressive if replying to you.

Back to the routine, a few words, very impressive, such ironclad discipline.

Thank you tongzilla for everything

 

[tongzilla]

Back to the routine, a few words, very impressive, such ironclad discipline.

Thank you tongzilla for everything

haha...

 

[tongzilla]

ok, back to the subject. I would like to share my personal experience with this "more equals less" thing. I used to make an effortless 'free-fall' swing and hit it just as far or maybe even a little bit further than I do now. But now I use more of a muscle it type swing, and it's much more consistent for me. It's not like a try to control every move, but it definitely feels a lot more structured and tighter to me. And definitely more effort expended (in a good way). But I'm more consistent with this pattern. I've got my own theories as to why it works...but they're just theories.

 

[mandrin]

ok, back to the subject. I would like to share my personal experience with this "more equals less" thing. I used to make an effortless 'free-fall' swing and hit it just as far or maybe even a little bit further than I do now. But now I use more of a muscle it type swing, and it's much more consistent for me. It's not like a try to control every move, but it definitely feels a lot more structured and tighter to me. And definitely more effort expended (in a good way). But I'm more consistent with this pattern. I've got my own theories as to why it works...but they're just theories.

tongzilla,

Nice interesting post. It is likely an experience shared by quite a few of the more serious golfers willing to experiment with there swing.

I wonder if it has to do with our make up. For many getting results without feeling that we are in control is not really satisfactory.

Also, when the situation is tight we feel tight and a more controlled swing fits this situation perhaps a bit better than swinging as loose as a goose.

What are your ideas on the subject. Care to expand a bit more on the subject?

 

[tongzilla]

tongzilla,

Nice interesting post. It is likely an experience shared by quite a few of the more serious golfers willing to experiment with there swing.

I wonder if it has to do with our make up. For many getting results without feeling that we are in control is not really satisfactory.

Also, when the situation is tight we feel tight and a more controlled swing fits this situation perhaps a bit better than swinging as loose as a goose.

What are your ideas on the subject. Care to expand a bit more on the subject?

Not sure if I want to / can spill the beans in a single post.
But for starters, I mostly likely would not have the pattern I have today without experimenting (for a long period of time) the 'easy free-fall let it happen' pattern.

 

[birdie_man]

Tom, could you explain why the D plane is the reason?

Ya I don't quite have it either. I've fallen behind the times on this D Plane Stuff.

(never have been great with some of these specifics though)

 

[simusphere]

I see the moment of truth to be not impact but the transition. If you can just master somehow to have as the first move at least a small vertical motion of hands than you are on your way to be able to be very aggressive and not loose adequate impact conditions. Swinging away from the target at the transition is likely one of the best ways to succeed in doing so.

Boy is this true for my swing.

As far as amount of energy expended to strike a golf ball, if I can do it with less energy and get the same distance that is the way to go for me. I only have so much energy to use during a round and once I use it up I start to feel the need to use more active force through the ball which generally makes the ball go just about anywhere except where I want it to go. I'm not getting any younger so the effortless golf swing is key for me.

I do tend to use a more controlled short game approach though that works well for me. For the full swing shots however, it has to feel effortless and be as efficient as possible.

 

[LiftOff]

Boy is this true for my swing.

For the full swing shots however, it has to feel effortless and be as efficient as possible.

I'm with you there simusphere. Several years ago I realized I wasn't getting any younger and had to change. Now, because of this forum and BM, when things are going good, all I'm doing is holding on.