The mandatory Right Forearm Takeaway

[birdie_man]

I'm confused on some things...

Tong or Brian....can you explain the difference between "the STT from TGM" and "what Brian teaches" (Brian? What exactly did u mean?)....

I'm a little lost on a few things.

 

[strav]

"The mandatory Right Forearm Takeaway." (7-3, 7th Edition)

Why did Homer say it is mandatory while others say it isn't?

Maybe because he did not allow for one armed golfers who do not have that option.

 

[tongzilla]

Maybe because he did not allow for one armed golfers who do not have that option.

Indeed. See Preface.
"It may be that an octopus, or a thing from outer space, would need a different procedure, but for people-shaped golfers, there is actually only "one swing," as depicted in Chapter 8 and discussed in Chapter 7. This Basic Stroke is not a basic procedure, but it is basic gemoetry."

 

[oztrainee]

How Lazy N How good is our Hands

TGM is a book teaching us the mix and match within the golf swing, and nothing is right or wrong. And that is the beauty of it, and this is the reason why we can never prove HK is wrong, as he never mentioned what is right.

Using the pivot is Horizontal motion and the Pickup is a Vertical motion.

As per 2-F

Precision is lost unless Start Up is a Three Dimensional parallel to the Three Dimensional Impact i.e. the Clubhead moves Backward, Upward and Inward – On Plane – Instantly and Simultaneously (“Similtaneously” as quoted in the book)

Therefore whatever we do we still have to find a way to Mix and Match those Horizontal Motion and the Vertical Motion – Instantly and Simultaneously

What I learnt from Paul Hart… he said “Your golfswing will get better, if you are getting lazier one day”

I think, we can only be lazier, if our hands are educated. If we are relying on the Pivot to take care of the takeway STT. Can we say that it is a lazier procedure?

Same as Zero Shift vs Double Shift… Having a Double Shift setup is lazier then a Zero Shift setup?

About RFT and STT, IMO, it is very much of a "mix and match" as well as how "lazy" we are……

 

[dodger]

I have used STT for some time in order to generate more power. However, it seriously placed me under plane on the backswing which I accentuated by dropping the club further underplane on the downswing. The RFT has not only limited that move but also helps me monitor the number two pressure point better, which has lessened a serious hooking problem. Isn't the issue that some people need more of one or the other in the backswing, which depends on their tendency?

 

[birdie_man]

I've improved my plane a lot lately.

Still setup with my head back.....very important IMO...

But have fixed my "'turn the drum' (torso) with left arm connected to chest and arms more-or-less flailing very underplane" backswing........then come OTT some in downswing (wasn't a slicer tho).....i.e. Daly's swing.

It's amazing what you can catch yourself doing on video BTW....didn't feel THAT underplane....

Now it's more of a "STT + Extensor Action" type-deal.....setup with head back some and head moves back slightly (most likely).

....FEELS like my clubhead goes very straight back pointing at the Target Line but I know it's still slightly underplane....which I do want and would not change BTW.

I still feel and am conscious of a chest connection and turning my shoulders BTW.....i.e. I'm not just consciously taking the club back SOLELY with my hands (but the right one IS adding much more Ex. Action now).

The biggest thing is the Extensor Action in the direction I want to take the club back....right now I still like to feel that left shoulder/chest connection tho....feels less flimsy or something.

 

[Brian Manzella]

The POINT!

The point to all of this is:

I watch the US Open with my Father-in-law's new TiVo.

Stopped EVERY swing and frame-by-framed them.

LOTS of golfer have/had good takeaways, perfectly up, in, and back just like "you are supposed to do."

LOTS OF THESE SHOTS WENT SIDEWAYS!

"It a'int no magic pill, for sure."

No it isn't.

Some------some-----of these golfers, would be better off with what Ben Doyle calls a more 3-D takeaway.

But all it really is is a pivot powered slightly inside takeaway, just like I explain in the above post.

The key here is "Pivot Powered Mind-in-your-hands slightly inside" takeaway for some.

"Pure Right Forearm Takeaway for some."

Blend for the rest.

Teach only one, and lots of your students will never know how good they could have been.

 

[David Alford]

The ideal goal for most would be to obtain an on plane short (less than 3/4)backswing with a full wrist cock in a perfectly consistent fashion.

If you want to own your golf swing, I highly recommend it. Sounds easy, but it's extremly rare.

 

[tongzilla]

The point to all of this is:

I watch the US Open with my Father-in-law's new TiVo.

Stopped EVERY swing and frame-by-framed them.

LOTS of golfer have/had good takeaways, perfectly up, in, and back just like "you are supposed to do."

LOTS OF THESE SHOTS WENT SIDEWAYS!

"It a'int no magic pill, for sure."

No it isn't.

Some------some-----of these golfers, would be better off with what Ben Doyle calls a more 3-D takeaway.

But all it really is is a pivot powered slightly inside takeaway, just like I explain in the above post.

The key here is "Pivot Powered Mind-in-your-hands slightly inside" takeaway for some.

"Pure Right Forearm Takeaway for some."

Blend for the rest.

Teach only one, and lots of your students will never know how good they could have been.

Brian, that's a good summary distilled after years of debate.

 

[David Alford]

oztrainee wrote:
<TGM is a book teaching us the mix and match within the golf swing, and nothing is right or wrong. And that is the beauty of it, and this is the reason why we can never prove HK is wrong, as he never mentioned what is right.>

Good post. I'd like to ask Brian and Tongzilla's comments on this perspective, which is pretty much my take on TGM. Perhaps it depends on which edition is being discussed.

What I value are specific combinations and specific moves that produce RESULTS. You have to be either very lucky or very persistent to find real gold nuggets from all the "backscatter".

Today, we are drowning in golf swing information. It's become more of a problem than a solution. I also suspect many here would throw TGM aside
and the thousands of pages of TGM posts and analysis if they could only have just 5 minutes of instruction from Ben Hogan.

 

[kimhhans]

Me too

This is what I tried the last couple of rounds and with good results( relative to my previous rounds offcourse), just like You said it felt less flimsy, I rotated "better" and struck the ball much better. For me personally I believe I might have overfocused on the right side ending up pushing more than pulling.(swinging) Somehow it feels more natural to pull when my left side is more "rigid" ??

I know that my swing is full of faults but it was nice to finally have a round of confidence og relative good results.

Kim

Now it's more of a "STT + Extensor Action" type-deal.....setup with head back some and head moves back slightly (most likely).

I still feel and am conscious of a chest connection and turning my shoulders BTW.....i.e. I'm not just taking my hands and consciously taking the club back solely with my hands.

feels less flimsy or something.

 

[birdie_man]

Today, we are drowning in golf swing information. It's become more of a problem than a solution. I also suspect many here would throw TGM aside
and the thousands of pages of TGM posts and analysis if they could only have just 5 minutes of instruction from Ben Hogan.

Or someone else who knows what they're talking about...

You really don't need to know the whole book or even any of the book....you only need what YOU need from someone who knows what you need so you don't have to. (get all that? )

BTW Hogan's the man.

 

[birdie_man]

This is what I tried the last couple of rounds and with good results( relative to my previous rounds offcourse), just like You said it felt less flimsy, I rotated "better" and struck the ball much better. For me personally I believe I might have overfocused on the right side ending up pushing more than pulling.(swinging) Somehow it feels more natural to pull when my left side is more "rigid" ??

I know that my swing is full of faults but it was nice to finally have a round of confidence og relative good results.

Kim

Ya I don't like using my right forearm only to take the club back...i.e. first thought: "Take the club back with only my right forearm."

...

Cause it feels flimsy to me....and then you have to switch to the left side and pull down with it in the downswing.

I like using it for putting tho.....but am fooling around with doing the same thing as I described a few posts ago for putting (same as my normal swing).....dunno yet tho.

 

[hiroshiro]

The ideal goal for most would be to obtain an on plane short (less than 3/4)backswing with a full wrist cock in a perfectly consistent fashion.

If you want to own your golf swing, I highly recommend it. Sounds easy, but it's extremly rare.

Why is it rare? Is it more difficult to execute than it sounds? Do you typically use this pattern?

Thanks.

Hiro

 

[birdie_man]

The ideal goal for most would be to obtain an on plane short (less than 3/4)backswing with a full wrist cock in a perfectly consistent fashion.

If you want to own your golf swing, I highly recommend it. Sounds easy, but it's extremly rare.

So...

See Hogan I guess eh David?

 

[hiroshiro]

Guys Down Under

So...

See Hogan I guess eh David?

Or Michael Campbell in this month's Golf Magazine swing sequence.

Isn't Mr. Alford now somewhere near Campbell country?

hiro