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Have you got any idea what motivated him to change teachers? You can see it is not a Leadbetter swing.
 
CHIII, in fact, does indeed look like a Lead student now - he's been delagged and flattened. I watched this happen to another potential superstar on the range at the 88 PGA at Oak Tree. Lead was moving up and down the line selling his "Nick Price" shaft-flattening snake oil to anyone who would listen. This particular South African tried to buy into it, and was reduced to a dehydrated hacker(it was 100 degrees with 80% humidity) - no kidding, he could hardly make decent contact. He was drenched in sweat and kept shaking his head. Lead would drift over and shake his head yes, while demoing this magic move. I watched this go on for what seems like was all afternoon. The player soon disappeared from the Tour, and I believe the 88 PGA was his last appearance in a major.
 

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This doesnt make sense...these guys all cant be dumb, if he messes up everyone's swing, why do they all go to him???
 
M-Joe what do you mean by "flattened" swing? Just that he takes the club back on a flat plane and downswings on an equally flat plane?
 
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M-Joe what do you mean by "flattened" swing? Just that he takes the club back on a flat plane and downswings on an equally flat plane?

Club goes up on relatively steep plane then drops onto a much flatter plane through transition.
 
I saw CHIII swing this week, he looked to me like he was doing the Nick Price shaft-flattening move of letting the clubhead drop down behind him and coming through in the DS on an overly flat plane after a vertical BS. He also seems to not keep the shaft "up" the left arm on the DS, as much as he used to. In other words, less #2 acumulator lag. Why he(or anyone else) would do this is beyond me. CHIII used to have the best max trigger delay, max lag swing on the market, IMO.

Why do players keep going to Leadbetter? Probably the same reason people vote for the candidate with the most familiar name, i.e., does the best marketing job. Tour players have a knack for hitting the golf ball. Some of them succeed in spite of, and not because of, Lead's "tips". In the case of CHIII, Lead is reducing one of the three imperatives, and, hopefully, Charles' talent will be enough to survive it. You just don't hear about the failures of these "high profile" instructors. I don't know what problems CHIII had, but I can't imagine it would take Brian more than a couple of sessions to fix him.
 

EdZ

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quote:Originally posted by denny.

Geoge Kelnhofer in Atlanta should be on any list of great teachers not as well known as they should be.

I have heard good things, but don't know too much about him.
 

ej20

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quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

I saw CHIII swing this week, he looked to me like he was doing the Nick Price shaft-flattening move of letting the clubhead drop down behind him and coming through in the DS on an overly flat plane after a vertical BS. He also seems to not keep the shaft "up" the left arm on the DS, as much as he used to. In other words, less #2 acumulator lag. Why he(or anyone else) would do this is beyond me. CHIII used to have the best max trigger delay, max lag swing on the market, IMO.

Why do players keep going to Leadbetter? Probably the same reason people vote for the candidate with the most familiar name, i.e., does the best marketing job. Tour players have a knack for hitting the golf ball. Some of them succeed in spite of, and not because of, Lead's "tips". In the case of CHIII, Lead is reducing one of the three imperatives, and, hopefully, Charles' talent will be enough to survive it. You just don't hear about the failures of these "high profile" instructors. I don't know what problems CHIII had, but I can't imagine it would take Brian more than a couple of sessions to fix him.
You guys just don't get it,do you?

All the guys on the pro tour don't lack distance,especially Charles.What they are after is consistency of ball flight and distance control.The big problem with Charles is he cannot keep his short irons from spinning off the greens.You might look impressive doing that but you're not going to win much money.

A shallow approach and less trigger delay will help his distance control due to less spin.

Just because it's the 3 imperatives doesn't mean the more of it will work better,especially for pros.JMO
 
quote:Originally posted by ej20

quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

I saw CHIII swing this week, he looked to me like he was doing the Nick Price shaft-flattening move of letting the clubhead drop down behind him and coming through in the DS on an overly flat plane after a vertical BS. He also seems to not keep the shaft "up" the left arm on the DS, as much as he used to. In other words, less #2 acumulator lag. Why he(or anyone else) would do this is beyond me. CHIII used to have the best max trigger delay, max lag swing on the market, IMO.

Why do players keep going to Leadbetter? Probably the same reason people vote for the candidate with the most familiar name, i.e., does the best marketing job. Tour players have a knack for hitting the golf ball. Some of them succeed in spite of, and not because of, Lead's "tips". In the case of CHIII, Lead is reducing one of the three imperatives, and, hopefully, Charles' talent will be enough to survive it. You just don't hear about the failures of these "high profile" instructors. I don't know what problems CHIII had, but I can't imagine it would take Brian more than a couple of sessions to fix him.
You guys just don't get it,do you?

All the guys on the pro tour don't lack distance,especially Charles.What they are after is consistency of ball flight and distance control.The big problem with Charles is he cannot keep his short irons from spinning off the greens.You might look impressive doing that but you're not going to win much money.

A shallow approach and less trigger delay will help his distance control due to less spin.

Just because it's the 3 imperatives doesn't mean the more of it will work better,especially for pros.JMO

I think Joe was talking about his full swing off the tee.

Short iron shots do zero out some accumulators.
And yes, Brian could teach this as well as anyone in very short time.

Pros don't lack distance not because of some super human stength or speed, although they are althetes. They get their distance because of max trigger delay and, shhhhh, they hit the sweet spot almost all the time. (Big smiley face here for the angry. :))

Good points by all.
 
quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

quote:Originally posted by ej20

quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

I saw CHIII swing this week, he looked to me like he was doing the Nick Price shaft-flattening move of letting the clubhead drop down behind him and coming through in the DS on an overly flat plane after a vertical BS. He also seems to not keep the shaft "up" the left arm on the DS, as much as he used to. In other words, less #2 acumulator lag. Why he(or anyone else) would do this is beyond me. CHIII used to have the best max trigger delay, max lag swing on the market, IMO.

Why do players keep going to Leadbetter? Probably the same reason people vote for the candidate with the most familiar name, i.e., does the best marketing job. Tour players have a knack for hitting the golf ball. Some of them succeed in spite of, and not because of, Lead's "tips". In the case of CHIII, Lead is reducing one of the three imperatives, and, hopefully, Charles' talent will be enough to survive it. You just don't hear about the failures of these "high profile" instructors. I don't know what problems CHIII had, but I can't imagine it would take Brian more than a couple of sessions to fix him.
You guys just don't get it,do you?

All the guys on the pro tour don't lack distance,especially Charles.What they are after is consistency of ball flight and distance control.The big problem with Charles is he cannot keep his short irons from spinning off the greens.You might look impressive doing that but you're not going to win much money.

A shallow approach and less trigger delay will help his distance control due to less spin.

Just because it's the 3 imperatives doesn't mean the more of it will work better,especially for pros.JMO

I think Joe was talking about his full swing off the tee.

Short iron shots do zero out some accumulators.
And yes, Brian could teach this as well as anyone in very short time.

Pros don't lack distance not because of some super human stength or speed, although they are althetes. They get their distance because of max trigger delay and, shhhhh, they hit the sweet spot almost all the time. (Big smiley face here for the angry. :))

Good points by all.

I dont know guy, that smiley face almost looks a little smirky to me. I might be offended by it. I'll let you know later. :D
 
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