The Out Toss - questions and a new feature article by Brian Manzella

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Sorry for this tiny off-topic question, been working hard on getting rid of the tug and now with the out-toss I think I got a light bulb. Is separating the left arm from the chest a means by which you can accelerate the left arm independant of the pivot for the most part?

Awesome pics Lia as always.
 
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66er said:
Is separating the left arm from the chest a means by which you can accelerate the left arm independant of the pivot for the most part?
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I would say so but be careful. Getting the left arm out away from the chest too soon may prematurely send the hand path out. The hand path from the top is going to be away from your head and down (think of the "point between the hands" moving from 12 to 9 o'clock from the face-on view).

In the mean time, "your shoulders" (really thoracic spine) shouldn't rotate much as you're spine should be undergoing lateral bend (side bend away from the target). Here's a video about thoracic spine mobility:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/weLcono-BT0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

The hand path move is aided, sometimes unconsciously, by using a right elbow move that takes the bent right arm, that was externally rotated at the shoulder, and to varying degrees "away from the body" at the top of the backswing and moving it back into the body by contracting the right lat muscle and intending to get the right elbow to touch the right hip.
Hogan-Article-June-2011.jpg

But beware! Don't snatch the club down into this position because the position isn't what you're necessarily after :) The left half of the Hogan picture may confuse some into thinking that this is a "straight line delivery" (i.e. TGM straight line delivery hand path) but that is incorrect. That's another piece of flawed science. The scientifically correct way is illustrated in the Nesbit "free body diagram" and demonstrated in the pictures I've posted.
 
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jbrunk

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The 'C' sequence move for a late tug is really helping me now.
Right now it's 3 steps:

1. Geoff Ogilvy sleepy, lazy, slacky backswing. (Arms only, no lower body)
2. Stay turned Alex Noren drill feel
3. Sequence 'C' pour on right hand

I am so appreciative of this forum, its leader, and the others on the site that have helped me rise from the depths of blockville.


Thank you and keep up the good work guys.
 
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Dam the ability to have the club head on the target side of the hand and the left arm parallel to the ground is frikin hard! Im working on it but not even close. I strike the ball ok, I guess im going for the look instead of the results. But dam those swing are good!
 
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lia41985 said:
I would say so but be careful. Getting the left arm out away from the chest too soon may prematurely send the hand path out. The hand path from the top is going to be away from your head and down (think of the "point between the hands" moving from 12 to 9 o'clock from the face-on view).

In the mean time, "your shoulders" (really thoracic spine) shouldn't rotate much as you're spine should be undergoing lateral bend (side bend away from the target). Here's a video about thoracic spine mobility:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/weLcono-BT0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

The hand path move is aided, sometimes unconsciously, by using a right elbow move that takes the bent right arm, that was externally rotated at the shoulder, and to varying degrees "away from the body" at the top of the backswing and moving it back into the body by contracting the right lat muscle and intending to get the right elbow to touch the right hip.
Hogan-Article-June-2011.jpg

But beware! Don't snatch the club down into this position because the position isn't what you're necessarily after :) The left half of the Hogan picture may confuse some into thinking that this is a "straight line delivery" (i.e. TGM straight line delivery hand path) but that is incorrect. That's another piece of flawed science. The scientifically correct way is illustrated in the Nesbit "free body diagram" and demonstrated in the pictures I've posted.
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Thanks Lia!

I got on my foam roller and played the thoracic video this morning getting ready for a 6 mile run and realized why I've been feeling like my bottle of Haig & Haig Pinch from the 1960's. Dusty and ancient but gold inside.

I have recently acquired left shoulder pain during the backswing. After the snap, crackle, and pop, feeling much better. I will put this into my daily routine and report back on my progress. Thanks again.
 
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