The Push Fade Parade
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Richie3Jack
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Clubface.
Face gets open and the path now effectively becomes slightly out-to-in. Thus, push fade.
3JACK
Face gets open and the path now effectively becomes slightly out-to-in. Thus, push fade.
3JACK
Kevin Shields
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Try to limit the amount down you hit on it. This bends your path more right and with the open face....well, you know.
Bill Miracle
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curtisj76
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10.5 degree mailbox on a stick.
Jim Kobylinski
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The push fade happens when you have too much "drop" and not enough "rotate"
curtisj76
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Yeah, I think that explains my issue. Thanks Jim
Kevin Shields
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Sorta. The centered spine and fall allow you to come in on top of the ball more. You just need to get your left shoulder up and away and swing left.
curtisj76
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So throw that annoying drunk off your shoulder?
texagjosh
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Thanks. I'll try to work that in.
HOT CHILLI
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I want to pull my hair outt aahhyyy
Jim, so basically he has 2* insideout path(True path) and face is open more then his path, let's 4 to the target now he got a 2* open face to his true path.
BUT, How can you be sure that it's insideout path, maybe it's 2* outside-in path with a 1* open face to the target which is 3* open to the path, then the ball starts 2-3 yards right of the target and curves, Curves another maybe 10yards right there you go a push fade. now he'll rotate more before the drop and walla outside in path of 5* with let's say a square face which is open 5* to the path(True) and that's a 20 yards slice or pull silce the ball starts almost to the target and curves to the right way right so...
I think that if you have a decent swing which the ball goes "ok"(like 1-2 yards direction and 5-7 yards curve) how can you really know if You don't have trackman like monitor?
plus you have other factors angle of attack, spin, launch angle, wind maybe he had a gust of wind when he was hitting balls.
This swing has a great angle but I'm not sure if it's either face issue or path that got the ball to curve.
Even with 1200fps I'm still assuming...
Of course if you have this swing it's easier, just fix the grip, face, pivot, enough...
Trackman Push Fade - Clubhead Path 3.6 positive insideout, Clubface 1.6 positive
Even if I see my swing from an angle that is very good from a clubhead/face view, I'm STILL playing a guessing game, 60% guessing and I don't know another 20% assuming... what ever, plus I'm still confused about the other side of the D PLANE THE Fade side when you have an outside-in true path at impact, so bottom line I'm trying to learn but I'm waiting for brian's numbers.
This thread confused me more...
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Jim, so basically he has 2* insideout path(True path) and face is open more then his path, let's 4 to the target now he got a 2* open face to his true path.
BUT, How can you be sure that it's insideout path, maybe it's 2* outside-in path with a 1* open face to the target which is 3* open to the path, then the ball starts 2-3 yards right of the target and curves, Curves another maybe 10yards right there you go a push fade. now he'll rotate more before the drop and walla outside in path of 5* with let's say a square face which is open 5* to the path(True) and that's a 20 yards slice or pull silce the ball starts almost to the target and curves to the right way right so...
I think that if you have a decent swing which the ball goes "ok"(like 1-2 yards direction and 5-7 yards curve) how can you really know if You don't have trackman like monitor?
plus you have other factors angle of attack, spin, launch angle, wind maybe he had a gust of wind when he was hitting balls.
This swing has a great angle but I'm not sure if it's either face issue or path that got the ball to curve.
Even with 1200fps I'm still assuming...
Of course if you have this swing it's easier, just fix the grip, face, pivot, enough...
Trackman Push Fade - Clubhead Path 3.6 positive insideout, Clubface 1.6 positive
Even if I see my swing from an angle that is very good from a clubhead/face view, I'm STILL playing a guessing game, 60% guessing and I don't know another 20% assuming... what ever, plus I'm still confused about the other side of the D PLANE THE Fade side when you have an outside-in true path at impact, so bottom line I'm trying to learn but I'm waiting for brian's numbers.
This thread confused me more...
With the "drop" I'll get my 2* insideout path yes?
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Jim Kobylinski
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HOT CHILLI you are correct i can't know 100% until i see him BUT from being a teacher in the real world and teaching this pattern (as well using it on my own) i am taking an educated guess as to what he is doing incorrectly.
Cliff Notes:
In his case, he is a reformed hooker who swung too inside/out and now he has dramatically moved his plane line left via the NHA pattern. However for someone like him his miss is going to be something similar to his OLD pattern which is too inside/out. Thus my suggestion (educated guess) is that he is employing too much drop before the rotation which is causing the inside/out path.
Cliff Notes:
In his case, he is a reformed hooker who swung too inside/out and now he has dramatically moved his plane line left via the NHA pattern. However for someone like him his miss is going to be something similar to his OLD pattern which is too inside/out. Thus my suggestion (educated guess) is that he is employing too much drop before the rotation which is causing the inside/out path.
Jim Kobylinski
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You should know by now what causes shanks...however trying to swing too inside/out and/or also lagging the hosel because you have over rotated your left arm somewhere is usually the culprit.
Brian Manzella
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