The Three Imperatives or only Two?
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Hope I'm not off topic here but FWIW in the article he wrote for Golf Magazine a few days before his death Homer Kelly said "In the "Golfing Machine" the finish ranks high above impact as a critical point in the golf swing. Giving improper importance and attention to impact has caused players to "chop" at the ball and has been producing hackers for centuries"
Golf Magazine 4/83 p.63
Yes, it is the wedge. Not the right hand, not the left hand, but BOTH - the wedge.
That is my point. You don't need to monitor the left hand and right hand, you need to monitor the wedge - the unit of the hands. Set your wedge and keep it, like having your hands lightly wrapped in an ace bandage. The angle of the wedge, the tip of the triangle and its hinge.
Care to enlighten me oh wise one? Since you seem to know all the answers, let's here them. Otherwise, we just may have to give you as hard a time as DA got right?
Good golfers, the best golfers, don't have to monitor anything but their target and the image in their mind of the shot at hand.
As I have said often, if someone disagrees with me, tell me why. Prove your points. Discuss. Don't simply attack someone, it shows very poor debate skills.
Good golfers, the best golfers, don't have to monitor anything but their target and the image in their mind of the shot at hand.
As I have said often, if someone disagrees with me, tell me why. Prove your points. Discuss. Don't simply attack someone, it shows very poor debate skills.
Dude, its the flying WEDGES - pural, the big S, not wedge, thats the point. You(edz) don't have to monitor the left flat, but good golfer do. And you do not understand flying wedges AT ALL.
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Since we are being so precise it is plural not pural.
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that darn stuck lower case l on my keyboard. Great input. Precision is key, typos are typos.
EdZ, you have the wrong concept of the FWs. They are two- a left and a right flying wedge. Together they are the wedges -ssss. Not a wedge. It is more then pointing the apex of a triangle down the line. The right wedge is key in tracing the right forearm along the plane line, it keeps the right bent into impact for ball compression. The left wedge keeps a FVL left wrist need to appile a hinge action, a swivel. They are a unit but have very different jobs. Educated hands, two of them.
bsbsbs (let me guess) any typos here?
mgjordan
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EDZ,
You have a left hand flying wedge and a right hand flying wedge. You put them together to creates the flying wedges. You need to train each wedge individually and then put them together. You train the left wedge to stay flat and to apply hinge action and you train the right wedge to stay bent and sense pressure.
You have a left hand flying wedge and a right hand flying wedge. You put them together to creates the flying wedges. You need to train each wedge individually and then put them together. You train the left wedge to stay flat and to apply hinge action and you train the right wedge to stay bent and sense pressure.
mgjordan
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The feeling of using only the right hand is just that...a feeling. Once the left becomes educated, you already know what to do with it. You don't have to think about it. When I worked with YODA, he told me that he often imagines the golf club as a wrecking ball with no face on it. He just drives the wrecking ball into the golf ball. He concentrates on lag pressure. He already controls the clubface and doesn't think about it. However, if YODA switches to a swinging procedure, he has to program in a horizontal hinge (left hand) during his preswing and waggle because he has grown used to an angled hinge with hitting. This is a fact/illusion thing Ed.
I would completely agree with Yoda's wrecking ball.
You guys crack me up sometimes with your strict reading of TGM. Do you ever consider that there are other\better ways to look at things?
Yes, if you want to monitor two wedges, go right ahead. Certainly a good way to learn. When you put them together, and can FEEL them together as ONE, you will have the wrecking ball - that is a great way to sum up what I am saying in this thread. There is no illusion mg, the hands work as a unit - 'the' wedge. Moe certainly understood it. Yoda certainly understands it. A real shortcut in my book. Hogan, Jack understood it. And once you feel it, you will understand the power of giving up control, to gain control - Knudson.
You guys crack me up sometimes with your strict reading of TGM. Do you ever consider that there are other\better ways to look at things?
Yes, if you want to monitor two wedges, go right ahead. Certainly a good way to learn. When you put them together, and can FEEL them together as ONE, you will have the wrecking ball - that is a great way to sum up what I am saying in this thread. There is no illusion mg, the hands work as a unit - 'the' wedge. Moe certainly understood it. Yoda certainly understands it. A real shortcut in my book. Hogan, Jack understood it. And once you feel it, you will understand the power of giving up control, to gain control - Knudson.
It's a great feeling indeed. For me, I feel and imagine, that my hands are floating freely in space. That I have no arms per se, that there is no club - only a swinging 'point of force', in my hands, and the feel of lag and downward compression.
The mind is indeed, in the hands. Or perhaps the hands are in your mind. When you can really 'see' in your mind, you can just let the swing happen. When you can really feel the 'swinging' of the entire club, the heavy club, you will feel so much control. Totally balanced control.
Just like shooting a basketball. A reaction to the target, and the image in your mind.
The mind is indeed, in the hands. Or perhaps the hands are in your mind. When you can really 'see' in your mind, you can just let the swing happen. When you can really feel the 'swinging' of the entire club, the heavy club, you will feel so much control. Totally balanced control.
Just like shooting a basketball. A reaction to the target, and the image in your mind.
mgjordan
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Ed,
You didn't read my post very well. If you have already trained the left hand, you may not have to think about it. If you haven't, then not thinking about it will be disaster for your game. If you have trained it to produce, say, a horizontal hinge, but you need to hit a shot with a vertical hinge, you better had "think about it" if you want to have any chance of producing a vertical hinge. "The wedge" doesn't exist. Putting both flying wedges together to work with each other does exist. You can't combine the two. Our brain senses both independantly.
You didn't read my post very well. If you have already trained the left hand, you may not have to think about it. If you haven't, then not thinking about it will be disaster for your game. If you have trained it to produce, say, a horizontal hinge, but you need to hit a shot with a vertical hinge, you better had "think about it" if you want to have any chance of producing a vertical hinge. "The wedge" doesn't exist. Putting both flying wedges together to work with each other does exist. You can't combine the two. Our brain senses both independantly.
Archie Swivel
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Mizuno & others,
Can you hit a 2-iron with an arched left wrist? It would seem to me that arching delofts the clubface. I like to hit low trajectory short irons with an arched left wrist, but I can't hit a long iron effectively with an arch. Nor can I hit I high trajectory ball flight that way. Am I missing something?
Also with regard to this one wedge v. two wedges issues, couldn't you resolve this by proving that it is possible to maintain one wedge and lose the other? Just a thought.
Archie Swivel
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You want to be an asshole? You'll get it right back buddy. Yeah, from me.
You can disagree with me re: wedges/rims, I don't mind one bit. There are lots of ways of describing the same thing in golf. You need to see the wedges as two, great, fair enough, certainly better to train them that way. I see them differently, works for me, and apparently Lynn - the wrecking ball in action.
And before you bother giving any typo crap, you might want to check your own post. How many? Too funny man. Too funny.
Back to golf.....
You want to be an asshole? You'll get it right back buddy. Yeah, from me.
You can disagree with me re: wedges/rims, I don't mind one bit. There are lots of ways of describing the same thing in golf. You need to see the wedges as two, great, fair enough, certainly better to train them that way. I see them differently, works for me, and apparently Lynn - the wrecking ball in action.
And before you bother giving any typo crap, you might want to check your own post. How many? Too funny man. Too funny.
Back to golf.....
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