The "U" Plane and The "D" Plane

[jeffgladchun]

Brian...

I can't believe this stuff is free.

 

[mjstrong]

Brian...

I can't believe this stuff is free.

You could always donate $100 to his repair-my-house fund via paypal... It's just good karma. You'd even get yourself on his "Friends" list.

Going back to some of your definitions Brian; "stance line." Is the stance line designed to represent where you would be aiming your path? If so, I'd suggest specifying "shoulder stance line" over "feet stance line," simply because I think the shoulder alignments are a much bigger indicator of "path" than the feet are. Although I'm open to discussion.

 

[cmartingolf]

Both the green line (pointing outward and through the ground) and the orange line (pointing inward and in the air) are possible TRUE PATHs.

The club in this illustration is just a prop.

... orange line is representative of "hitting up" on the ball ... i.e. driver swing for a lot of people ... like Brian has said, you might want to aim right with the driver dependent on the amount you hit up

I didn't catch the fact that you have the lines also running "into the ground" and "above ground" alongside the direction away from the flag ... double meaning, eh ... you're good ... sneaky good

"I see," said the blind man.

Thanks

 

[KOC]

Dear Brian,

What is your opiniion regarding this figure provided by K.Miura?



And I don't see teachers talk about howball position affects the D-plane, would you share?

 

[cmartingolf]

Ball flight laws...

Mr. Miura has been hanging around the old ball flight law guy a little too long. Here's a quick sketch..

 

[birdie_man]

So now you can basically say "Controlling your U Plane is paramount in controlling your D Plane" yes?

(and paramount is a new favourite word of mine)

 

[lia41985]

So now you can basically say "Controlling your U Plane is paramount in controlling your D Plane" yes?

(and paramount is a new favourite word of mine)

I would think not. The U plane is a component of the D plane; an incredibly insightful way to explain the true path component of the D plane. The D plane is still the boss though.

 

[westy]

Good luck with trying to get all the above, when most golfer's main problems are club/ clubface control and solid contact to begin with. In the thread about getting putting lessons, they are saying 80% of golfer's including pro's can't aim a six foot putt properly, how is anyone going to do the above with all the different irons and all the variables, and how would you even know on the course if you did or didn't? 1 degree down with a 3 iron, take your trackman ,your going to need it.

I wasnt suggesting anyone was going to "do" all the above, just know which way they may want to lean towards or aim for.
I currently use a Tomi and Vector to analyze students numbers/data and get results, and am looking for more answers.
I am not trying to homogenize humans, just interpret them correctly.
I will have access to Trackman soon, and want to know what to look for, and how to interpret the data harvested.
I figured this was a good place to ask the question, as there appears to be people who are here who know what to look for and have a good understanding of what actually happens.
Just like when the Vectors came out and put numbers to what we already knew by eye, this technology will do the same. Or has done already. I just want the answers without having to reinvent the wheel. If nobody gives them to me I will go find some spokes a rim and a hub....lol... oh, can i borrow some grease...? MAYBE there is a variance of opinion on what is ideal....
Brian Manz has a great forum here, all kinds of good stuff to learn, and interesting debate, and it appears he is trying to stimulate that, especially in the area of the rapidly changing angles...
Interestingly enough, I played golf with an Eighty year old lady yesterday who's face was aiming I guessed approximately three feet right on a six footer.... she was better than most from short range. Now THERE was some rapidly changing angles....She was hitting it two degrees on the up for sure....

 

[vjcapron]

I would just like to point out that HK and TGM totally ignored or did not comprehend the effects of a club's lie angle on ball flight.

I remember reading in "The Book" that as long as the toe or heel did not hit the ground before impact, that the angle of the shaft into the ground didn't matter. Just about everyone now knows that this is just dead wrong.

The D-Plane obvioiusly takes lie angle into consideration, and it can also explain why the same swing with a 6 iron that is 3 degrees flat vs one that is 5 degrees upgright can make the 2 shots finish more than 20 yards apart.

One other point I'd like to add is that once you can visualize the D-Plane, you can accurately judge on the golf course how much a sidehill lie is going to make the ball curve, or in the case of wedges and short irons, how much the ball is going to start off line from where the leading edge is aimed. No more of this "aim a little left or aim a little right" stuff.

 

[Zztop]

I wasnt suggesting anyone was going to "do" all the above, just know which way they may want to lean towards or aim for.
I currently use a Tomi and Vector to analyze students numbers/data and get results, and am looking for more answers.
I am not trying to homogenize humans, just interpret them correctly.
I will have access to Trackman soon, and want to know what to look for, and how to interpret the data harvested.
I figured this was a good place to ask the question, as there appears to be people who are here who know what to look for and have a good understanding of what actually happens.
Just like when the Vectors came out and put numbers to what we already knew by eye, this technology will do the same. Or has done already. I just want the answers without having to reinvent the wheel. If nobody gives them to me I will go find some spokes a rim and a hub....lol... oh, can i borrow some grease...? MAYBE there is a variance of opinion on what is ideal....
Brian Manz has a great forum here, all kinds of good stuff to learn, and interesting debate, and it appears he is trying to stimulate that, especially in the area of the rapidly changing angles...
Interestingly enough, I played golf with an Eighty year old lady yesterday who's face was aiming I guessed approximately three feet right on a six footer.... she was better than most from short range. Now THERE was some rapidly changing angles....She was hitting it two degrees on the up for sure....

The eighty year old lady knows how to get it done. Did you tell her she was hitting it 2 degrees on the up? Do you think she would care if you did?

 

[westy]

I did...! And she loved it. (didnt mention her aim though...)