The weight shift isn't dead.....Rocco and Brandt win.

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Lifter said:
Has anyone read about how certain backswing:downswing timing ratios work better with certain players? Do the instructors on this site agree with that idea?

If so, what kind of backswing:downswing timing ratios do you typically aim for?
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I've tried the Tour Tempo stuff and I have a hard time consciously doing it (with the CD tones or with a metronome) but on video (when not actively thinking about it) I'm pretty close to 27-9. 2.44-1 is probably close enough to 3-1, he's hitting it well enough right now that I don't think it matters.
 
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Brian Manzella said:
Every release is timing dependent.

VERY timing dependent.
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I was a Paul Bertholy devotee for many years. Moe Norman got most of his favorite phrases from Bertholy. Paul taught that timing is proper sequential motion. I no longer believe that. I think that good timing is one of golf's fundamental mysteries.

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Brian Manzella

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The most important thing to STRAIGHT ball-flight is a ZERO PATH.

To do that you have to swing left enough for the resultant path to be ZERO.

To do that you need either some a) EARLY CARRY or b) mid-downswing tumble.

To do that you have to be able to have enough width so you don't back out of A or B.


Then you need a ZERO FACE.

To do that you need to match your left wrist angles (cock-uncock, arch-bend, turn-roll) to your grip and then to you body positioning near and through impact.


Then you need clubs that fit and you need to learn to hit the center of the face.

To do that you need to learn to match your lead wrist angles and left arm raising and lowering, to your left shoulder impact placement.
 
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cwdlaw223

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What are the most important contributors to consistently straight ballflight? Good sequencing?
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3,000-5,000 hours of practice/playing time. Better start young or else you'll be searching for something that doesn't exist. Every good swing must come out of the dirt one way or another. You can cut down on your practice time with tools like video, Trackman and general knowledge, but you still need to pay the price.

Plenty of guys who practice their life away and still can't make it on tour. Certain genetic gifts must be present to keep your tour card. Anybody can learn to break 80 at their local club. Not anyone can learn to break 70 at their local club, let alone under pressure in a tournament at an important event. If your hand eye coordination isn't good, it will put you at a disadvantage.

Kevin is correct when he asks, did your father play? If not, the odds are stacked against you for successful golf (breaking 80 consistently for most players).
 
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spktho said:
Brian told a short story to me and Billy McKinney when I last had a lesson with him about one of the Manzella guys and, I think it was, Billy Mayfair. They were on the range side by side and Manzella's guy was working his flat left wrist and forward lean through impact, delofting and hitting these medium trajectory 7 iron bullets that would hit the green on the range and take 2 or 3 big hops before stopping. Billy Mayfair by contrast was hitting what looked like these high flying marshmallow 6 irons to the same green that hit and stopped right away. Manzella's guy stopped and watched a few of Billy's shots, turned to Brian and said "I don't have a chance".

I really don't know what a "timing dependent release style" is, but I suspect you are referencing a "flip"?

I was already suckered into "keep the clubface square longer into and past impact". "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...."
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I want to say it was Finney hitting balls next to Elkington...

But I might be mistaken.

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Brian Manzella said:
The most important thing to STRAIGHT ball-flight is a ZERO PATH.

To do that you have to swing left enough for the resultant path to be ZERO.

To do that you need either some a) EARLY CARRY or b) mid-downswing tumble.

To do that you have to be able to have enough width so you don't back out of A or B.


Then you need a ZERO FACE.

To do that you need to match your left wrist angles (cock-uncock, arch-bend, turn-roll) to your grip and then to you body positioning near and through impact.


Then you need clubs that fit and you need to learn to hit the center of the face.

To do that you need to learn to match your lead wrist angles and left arm raising and lowering, to your left shoulder impact placement.
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Excellent answer, Brian, thank you very much!!!!!!!!!!!
 
faux_maestro

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Does anybody else get the feeling that the same disagreements from the past 2-3 years keep coming up and no matter what proof is shown or how they are explained they never go away?
 
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cwdlaw223 said:
3,000-5,000 hours of practice/playing time. Better start young or else you'll be searching for something that doesn't exist. Every good swing must come out of the dirt one way or another. You can cut down on your practice time with tools like video, Trackman and general knowledge, but you still need to pay the price.

Plenty of guys who practice their life away and still can't make it on tour. Certain genetic gifts must be present to keep your tour card. Anybody can learn to break 80 at their local club. Not anyone can learn to break 70 at their local club, let alone under pressure in a tournament at an important event. If your hand eye coordination isn't good, it will put you at a disadvantage.

Kevin is correct when he asks, did your father play? If not, the odds are stacked against you for successful golf (breaking 80 consistently for most players).
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cwdlaw223, I'm a 10-handicap and I don't break 80 very often. Whenever I do full swings on the range, what do you think are the primary things I should work on?
 
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faux_maestro said:
Does anybody else get the feeling that the same disagreements from the past 2-3 years keep coming up and no matter what proof is shown or how they are explained they never go away?
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Decent point. It would be interesting to see a summary of what things are most important and whether that list has "evolved" over the past 2-3 years.

But "most important" might differ dramatically depending on what golfer is being discussed......
 
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My recipe for straight shots...

I hit balls for a few minutes on FS every day. The first thing I monitor is initial starting direction (horizontal). If I get the ball started on line, the other variables follow until I get my Quad zeros. Zero starting direction, zero path, zero face, zero spin axis. (For the record, I consider 0.anything, zero...it's only occasionally 0.0.). I try to do this through the bag.

Does it work?

My first Trackman Combine (Indoors) was 87. At the time, it was the best Indoor score in the US and 8th in the world.
 
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