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[ThomasTheTank]

I have problem of my hips sliding to much in the downswing and then my hands get stuck and then FLIP low hook! This only happens with driver and im young and they say lots of youngsters have very active hips and hands in there swings, how can I quieten my hips down abit?

Thought id ask because I saw you were speaking about lower body drive!

Me too Ricky. Some people make a lower body move naturally anyway, like throwing a ball and need to speed up their arms whilst keeping their upper body behind the ball (thats me). Others are all arms and no lower body and need to feel like they are driving with the legs/hips. If I do that I get stuck inside and hit big blocks/pushes

Each to their own. No right and wrong. No magic sexy cure for everyone unfortunately

 

[Mike O]

Clear concepts

...the first "X-Factor"...lol...

....found this somewhere else:

"The combination of the elastic properties of the SEC and the muscle spindle stretch reflex facilitate a more powerful contraction than is possible without a quick "pre-stretch." Here's a very simple demonstration: squat down nice and low, pause for a count of two, and try to jump as high as you can. Now, from standing quickly drop into the squat position and jump as high as you can. Obviously you jumped higher when you dropped quickly into the squat position rather than pausing in the squat position. The same goes for the golf swing. The more stretch you can get in rotational muscles (eg. internal and external obliques) the more power you can produce. How do you get more stretch in these muscles? You increase the distance between the insertions. So in the golf swing you rotate your trunk away from your pelvis (this is a really crude way of describing this but this post will turn into a textbook if I go into more detail and accurately describe things). So the idea that "the greater the turn of the shoulders in relationship to the hips creates tension and upon release of the hips more speed is generated by the upper body playing catch-up to the lower body" is totally correct from a physiological and biomechanical standpoint."

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I said:

"OK....

I read this...

And it honestly seems to make sense....

But then....

How do you explain Sam Snead (LONG), Bubba Watson (longEST on tour), JB Holmes, John Daly, Mike Austin....etc...

http://www.golfdigest.com/instruction/swin...08samsnead.html
http://www.golfdigest.com/instruction/inde...mberwatson.html
http://www.golfdigest.com/instruction/inde...mberholmes.html
http://asafgolf.free.fr/images/golf/swings/daly_96_face.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7...in_Sequence.JPG

I mean....I read and hear a lot about guys not turning their hips.....but I don't see it.....maybe (some of them) keep their right knees 100% bent (because they've been told to).....although not VJ, Bubba, Phil....or Hogan, Snead, Jones, Nelson...anyone before Nicklaus.......

....but anyway....I see a lot of turned hips (turned a good amount)...

The concept of the stretch reflex- as opposed to pausing- and not taking advantage of the stretch reflex is a valid one. Whether jumping a little bit or alot, whether hitting a small shot or a large one- the one that takes advantage of the stretch reflex will jump higher, hit it further etc. everything else being equal.

However, that is a completely different concept than how far you stretch a muscle and it's tendon.

 

[golfie]

Stretch Reflex

The concept of the stretch reflex- as opposed to pausing- and not taking advantage of the stretch reflex is a valid one. Whether jumping a little bit or alot, whether hitting a small shot or a large one- the one that takes advantage of the stretch reflex will jump higher, hit it further etc. everything else being equal.

I think the question here is whether anything useful can be accomplished my making use of the stretch reflex of the obliques. And whether the obliques can be used to power the TGM Rotor. I think the obliques, if used, simply slow down the hips yielding zero gain. Any other opinions or facts?

Golfie

 

[Millrat]

I remember reading the original X-factor article years ago and if my memory serves correct Chip Beck had the largest X-factor.

Its the impact differential that matters. Look at impact photos of any long hitter, hips are almost facing target.

CW