This is VERY basic.

[spktho]

Really. Compare these two:

Also, see: http://www.brianmanzella.com/golfin...bis-swing-many-other-things-9.html#post189422

I can explain "width" further. I think it's an incredibly important if increasingly overlooked aspect of current instruction, Butch Harmon excluded.

Gulbis camera angle looks to be on the ground looking up and will make the hands seem to be lower than they actually are. The other camera angle appears to be some where about the waist, so not really the best comparison.

Couldn't you get more width by getting the hands further behind also, not just up?

 

[grahler]

Maybe width kind of equates to how far the hands are from the center of the swing? In other words too much right arm bend at the top would be less? I don't know-just throwing it out there.

 

[Kevin Shields]

She also loses width but leaning toward the target as well

 

[Dariusz J.]

If their under-pelvic section of the body do not cooperate -- no wonder such players (as shown) lose width.

Chers

 

[drewyallop]

If their under-pelvic section of the body do not cooperate -- no wonder such players (as shown) lose width.

Chers

I see that D. Maybe she is trying to increase her "x factor".

 

[drewyallop]

Good catch on camera angle.

 

[spktho]

She also loses width but leaning toward the target as well

Kevin, I was hitting balls yesterday with the width idea and it made it hard not to tug into the downswing. I have just recently learned the no-tug feel by feeling a softer and slightly bent left elbow at the top.

Could you describe a way to get more width properly or that does not promote tugging? Thanks

 

[drewyallop]

Question: can a bent left elbow at the top result in more or less width compared to a more extended left elbow (like most tour players have).

 

[Dariusz J.]

I see that D. Maybe she is trying to increase her "x factor".

Hell, it is tough to forget bad ideas but medial ones, isn't it ? X-factor, lead heel planted all the time, lead knee bending only forward and similar BS. This is how it is happening when the old wisdom is being elther forgotten or ignored.

Cheers

 

[Kevin Shields]

Kevin, I was hitting balls yesterday with the width idea and it made it hard not to tug into the downswing. I have just recently learned the no-tug feel by feeling a softer and slightly bent left elbow at the top.

Could you describe a way to get more width properly or that does not promote tugging? Thanks

By making your hands go away from the target as long as possible in the transition. I also can't strive for width in the backswing, leads to the same issues coming down

 

[birly-shirly]

Maybe width kind of equates to how far the hands are from the center of the swing? In other words too much right arm bend at the top would be less? I don't know-just throwing it out there.

I like the idea that it's easier to move into a position than to hold a position. With that in mind, how important is width, or lack of it, at a point in time at the top of the swing?

Couldn't a "narrower" position at the top be a result of a slightly bent left arm. And mightn't that actually support a tangential hand path from the top that creates more width on the way back down? How many people strive for width at the top and lose it immediately when they start towards the ball?

 

[spktho]

Couldn't a "narrower" position at the top be a result of a slightly bent left arm. And mightn't that actually support a tangential hand path from the top that creates more width on the way back down? How many people strive for width at the top and lose it immediately when they start towards the ball?

As you are eluding to, I think the answer or "key" is in Kevin's response to my post. So, my response to these questions is yes, if the hands make a pretty big move away from the target to start the downswing.

 

[Todd Dugan]

Anyone care to define "width" as it relates to the golf swing? Sensibly assuming that the term refers to the radius of a circular arc........"wider" meaning "longer" radius. But the radius of what? And where?

 

[grahler]

I like the idea that it's easier to move into a position than to hold a position. With that in mind, how important is width, or lack of it, at a point in time at the top of the swing?

Birly, IMO its probably a matter of style. Like for me I kinda like to feel wide narrow wide but I can also see how slack at the top could work for a different style. My post was just intended to kinda define width. Lots of ways to apply it within ones own swing style IMO.

 

[OLIVER1]

I like the idea that it's easier to move into a position than to hold a position. With that in mind, how important is width, or lack of it, at a point in time at the top of the swing?

Birly, IMO its probably a matter of style. Like for me I kinda like to feel wide narrow wide but I can also see how slack at the top could work for a different style. My post was just intended to kinda define width. Lots of ways to apply it within ones own swing style IMO.

Very good points.
In trying to achieve width at the top, anything that overshoots the natural radius, shall we say, will have the arms twanging back into the torso like a pair of grandfather's braces. The most important thing I've learned here is that slack at the top is not only O.K, but for me it's an imperative.