Thoughts on Mike Hebron and Mike Jacobs (GSEDs)?
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To whom it may concern,
I worked for Micheal Hebron for 1 season at Pine Needles...He teaches the TGM but in a very...I mean very simple ...to simple of a way!!! As Homer says in the little yellow book..."Treating a complex subject as though it were simple is incomplete and ineffective!" Michael knows what's going on and is always learning ...that's what's cool...He is NOT a know-it-all!!! Some like his approach...Some DO NOT!!! I personally enjoyed learning from him.
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I worked for Micheal Hebron for 1 season at Pine Needles...He teaches the TGM but in a very...I mean very simple ...to simple of a way!!! As Homer says in the little yellow book..."Treating a complex subject as though it were simple is incomplete and ineffective!" Michael knows what's going on and is always learning ...that's what's cool...He is NOT a know-it-all!!! Some like his approach...Some DO NOT!!! I personally enjoyed learning from him.
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There is no reason why a teacher can not teach TGM in a simple way- it is very simple to apply. From the complex yellow book comes a simply applications of components. It needs an AI for that. I teach my 7 yr old son TGM concepts all the time at the range. Naturally he knows nothing of the book- I ain’t a masochist- LOL.
At first, getting anything out of the book would have be enough. A little from Chuck, some from Brian, a few good reads from Gring and Stickly, the Hebron and Doyle videos and it started to come together. Then Yoda arrived. His early posts -his first just in Jan of 2004- lifted the fog and simplified Homer’s book. It is hard to explain how the hands can transfer the book on the lesson tee even before the first test drive of the information. This is why Lynn teaches the Geometry of The Circle as the first thing over waffles - LOL. He teaches the hands through the eyes.
We missed Mike at Pine Needles when Lynn taught a workshop last Summer. It would have been great to see him. Mike is a great teacher who with his books and videos keep TGM on the map.
Pine Needles is Heaven, why did you leave?
6bee1dee,
I attended Lynn's workshop at Pine Needles...we probably met there ...As far as leaving...the oppourtunity of a lifetime...to teach 154 PGM students how to develop their teaching and playing skills with obviously TGM as the primary source for their education.
Pine Needles was great.... the facility and the people were oustanding to work with....BUT every package at X-mas looks like a wonderful gift ...But it might not necessarily be what you might have anticipated inside!!! Michael came aboard 3 1/2 years after my term as the Head Instructor and I stayed on for 1 season after that. He's very good, but I had enough of teaching Mr. and Mrs. Havercamp ... I needed to move on to Ty Webb and Danny Noonan.As Michael would say "It is mch easier to tune-up a Porsche than to re-build a Gremlin!"Michael needs to work on his grammar...my peers rip him for that all the time!!!
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I attended Lynn's workshop at Pine Needles...we probably met there ...As far as leaving...the oppourtunity of a lifetime...to teach 154 PGM students how to develop their teaching and playing skills with obviously TGM as the primary source for their education.
Pine Needles was great.... the facility and the people were oustanding to work with....BUT every package at X-mas looks like a wonderful gift ...But it might not necessarily be what you might have anticipated inside!!! Michael came aboard 3 1/2 years after my term as the Head Instructor and I stayed on for 1 season after that. He's very good, but I had enough of teaching Mr. and Mrs. Havercamp ... I needed to move on to Ty Webb and Danny Noonan.As Michael would say "It is mch easier to tune-up a Porsche than to re-build a Gremlin!"Michael needs to work on his grammar...my peers rip him for that all the time!!!
Non-Authorized TGM
Ahhhh, now I know who you are. hahahah. I agree that the avg student taking a lesson at a driving range should not be doused with TGM straight from the book. Hebron does manage to teach TGM in a friendly manner. It is far easier to show than to explain- which is why Homer’s terminology is extremely important- it cuts through the vagueness of poorly worded instruction.
But you carry a strange name my friend- you may know more about The Golfing Machine than .... well most Earthly creatures! Hahahaha Later professor.
But you carry a strange name my friend- you may know more about The Golfing Machine than .... well most Earthly creatures! Hahahaha Later professor.
6Bee1ee and ECOX3,
Thanks for the choice words....
... however I am truly undeserving of such high praise!!!
Especially when I had to consult Noah Webster as to the meaning of all the "e" adjectives. I didn't know if at first to be offended or uplifted!!!! Erudite and esoteric let alone enthrallingly....I can appreciate enthusisatically, that's much more our level of understanding here in the "Creek"!!!!!
Thank the Good Lord for Noah Webster!!!
Well, back to the post on Michael Hebron...Michael always acts as if he doesn't know the answers to peoples questions especially concerning TGM, however after observing how he works with his students he knows more than he leads on!!!I can remember when we were in the "bunker" teaching Sand Play and he began demonstrating to the students about the importance of keeping both knees "anchored" to their address bend as to keep the radius smaller on the follow-through...as he "winked" with the slyness of a criminal sneaking one over on his audience. He gave us all kinds of "nuggets" that season. We taught nothing but,shaft,head,and face all day...every day. I guess that's all that mattered to him!!! The 3 Functions!!! Further we constantly re-built the motions using the blueprints as designed by the 3 stages in Chapter 12. Stage 1 Basic Motion, Stage 2 Aquired Motion, and Stage 3 Total Motion.
Currently I am doing a little research project with the Chapter 12 checklists with my 154 PGM students....So far 52 checklists completed, documented, and filed....Grip Basic---10 to 1 overlap(10-1-A) was the choice of swingers and 10 to 3 interlocking(10-1-D) was the choice of the hitters....I'm not sure why but I have an "educated guess".......It has something to do with where the shaft sits in the hand(Accumulator #3) which in turn affects the amount of leverage that can be applied by the respective pressure points as to their magnitude, direction, point of origin, and line of application..... Base of the fingers(More #3) vs. diagnolly across the top of the palm vs. along the cup(Less #3).? Who knows why?.................But the data reveals these #'s and with the completion of more checklists it will be interesting to see what ia revealed with the frequency of use for each of the other 24 basic components.
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Thanks for the choice words....
... however I am truly undeserving of such high praise!!!
Especially when I had to consult Noah Webster as to the meaning of all the "e" adjectives. I didn't know if at first to be offended or uplifted!!!! Erudite and esoteric let alone enthrallingly....I can appreciate enthusisatically, that's much more our level of understanding here in the "Creek"!!!!!
Thank the Good Lord for Noah Webster!!!
Well, back to the post on Michael Hebron...Michael always acts as if he doesn't know the answers to peoples questions especially concerning TGM, however after observing how he works with his students he knows more than he leads on!!!I can remember when we were in the "bunker" teaching Sand Play and he began demonstrating to the students about the importance of keeping both knees "anchored" to their address bend as to keep the radius smaller on the follow-through...as he "winked" with the slyness of a criminal sneaking one over on his audience. He gave us all kinds of "nuggets" that season. We taught nothing but,shaft,head,and face all day...every day. I guess that's all that mattered to him!!! The 3 Functions!!! Further we constantly re-built the motions using the blueprints as designed by the 3 stages in Chapter 12. Stage 1 Basic Motion, Stage 2 Aquired Motion, and Stage 3 Total Motion.
Currently I am doing a little research project with the Chapter 12 checklists with my 154 PGM students....So far 52 checklists completed, documented, and filed....Grip Basic---10 to 1 overlap(10-1-A) was the choice of swingers and 10 to 3 interlocking(10-1-D) was the choice of the hitters....I'm not sure why but I have an "educated guess".......It has something to do with where the shaft sits in the hand(Accumulator #3) which in turn affects the amount of leverage that can be applied by the respective pressure points as to their magnitude, direction, point of origin, and line of application..... Base of the fingers(More #3) vs. diagnolly across the top of the palm vs. along the cup(Less #3).? Who knows why?.................But the data reveals these #'s and with the completion of more checklists it will be interesting to see what ia revealed with the frequency of use for each of the other 24 basic components.
The NONAUTHORIZED TGM
The grip recommended in Jacobs' DVD, Explosive Golf , looks like Strong Double Action, where the right wrist is vertical and the left wrist is turned to the point where the left wrist cock motion and the right wrist bend are on the same line. He achieves this with an interesting nugget I never heard before. He verifies his grip by lining up the knuckles of the fingers.
With my neutral left hand grip, my lining up the knuckles results in a cross between Strong Single Action and Weak Double Action, because my right wrist is slightly rolled. This places my PP#3 directly behind the shaft, an alignment I was not satisfactorily achieving with both wrists vertical or matching palms.
Any comments on Jacobs' grip?
With my neutral left hand grip, my lining up the knuckles results in a cross between Strong Single Action and Weak Double Action, because my right wrist is slightly rolled. This places my PP#3 directly behind the shaft, an alignment I was not satisfactorily achieving with both wrists vertical or matching palms.
Any comments on Jacobs' grip?
Erudite! Zoinks! Rush Limbaugh actually uses that one quite a bit.
Would the NONAUTHORIZED please expand on your research of grips diagonal vs. along the cup (less #3). The equally enthused, erudite, and esoteric Mr. Cox has worked with me on this. Less #3 equals less poison oak from the left woods for me. I am very interested to hear more about your results and analysis of these different grip types. Do tell please.
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with yellow koolaid.rundmc,
Perhaps a discussion of grip/#3 Accumulator relationship would be best over a "Bo-Berry" Biscuit and a 1/2 gallon ... but I do know this that the more upright planes do better with weaker grip types and more toward the "cup" thus decreasing the "sharpness of #3 and it's travel.and vice versa for the flatter planes with stronger and more toward the base of the fingers..increasing the sharpness of it's travel...But I'm definitely NOT an expert and definitely Non-Authorized to make such statements...So this Professor will just have to make an "educated guess" that is at least educated versus just a guess.
Regarded as NOT a "Real" TGMer...
Perhaps a discussion of grip/#3 Accumulator relationship would be best over a "Bo-Berry" Biscuit and a 1/2 gallon ... but I do know this that the more upright planes do better with weaker grip types and more toward the "cup" thus decreasing the "sharpness of #3 and it's travel.and vice versa for the flatter planes with stronger and more toward the base of the fingers..increasing the sharpness of it's travel...But I'm definitely NOT an expert and definitely Non-Authorized to make such statements...So this Professor will just have to make an "educated guess" that is at least educated versus just a guess.
Regarded as NOT a "Real" TGMer...
THe latter. Feels like the right hand is more on "top" than I am normally accustomed. However, the middle knuckle of the index finger, Jacobs' version(and I believe HK's) of PP#3 is directly behind the shaft. I believe Yoda uses the fleshy pad as PP#3, thus his palms facing together grip.
In diggerdog's thread about hinge action and the right hand, Brian states that PP#3 is directly behind the shaft for horizontal hinging and behind and slightly underneath for angled. Jacobs' is a pure swinger, and Yoda a hitter, so their respective grips are compatible with their hinge actions.
DDL,
Well PUT...Grip Type,Hinge Action, and Wrist Action MUST Be compatible...Remember one CAN substitute Hinge Action for the Wrist Action component 10-18-C-A/B/C and Last Paragraph 1st Sentence of 2-G
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Well PUT...Grip Type,Hinge Action, and Wrist Action MUST Be compatible...Remember one CAN substitute Hinge Action for the Wrist Action component 10-18-C-A/B/C and Last Paragraph 1st Sentence of 2-G
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