Throw the drunk off the shoulder...revisit.

[c21heel]

I would be interested in hearing everyones interpretation of what throwing the drunk off the shoulder is and what you gained from using this as your swing thought. I've done a search, but would like to hear more current impressions.

If I understand correctly, the drunk is on the left shoulder and you would throw him/her off both upward and rearward to ingrain the feeling of the left shoulder going up and back?

Seems like this move would help stop pull hooking.

 

[cmartingolf]

To me, it's the opposite feel of using an "aiming point" thought. It's a powerful feeling for me with the driver. I don't feel like it serves me too well with iron shots as I feel steeper and conscious of hitting the ground on the target side of the ball.

Personally, I have to throw the drunk a couple yards behind me too. If I try and toss him into the upper bunk I get under plane, too shallow and prone to blocking or snapping.

 

[c21heel]

Where would the drunk go with an over-the-top move? Back, but stay on the shoulder?

 

[puttmad]

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Where would the drunk go with an over-the-top move? Back, but stay on the shoulder?

Think you'll find if your target is at 12 o' clock the drunk would end up at 4 o' clock, instead of behind you at 6 o' clock

 

[birdie_man]

cmartin.........you can "aim" and then "throw the drunk of your back."

"Drop the club"/"left shoulder up."

This move allows you to aim ('Aiming Point') forward.....and/or squat down for potentially more Inebriate Launching Power.

 

[c21heel]

Think you'll find if your target is at 12 o' clock the drunk would end up at 4 o' clock, instead of behind you at 6 o' clock

I did a search before starting this thread and I think the visual is of the drunk being on the left shoulder. Is that your reference as well?

 

[puttmad]

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I did a search before starting this thread and I think the visual is of the drunk being on the left shoulder. Is that your reference as well?

My visual is the drunk being draped across my shoulders...i.e. I am carrying him...but that's just my way of seeing it..

I use this analogy because when i was younger I used to unload sides of bacon off a truck (they weighed over 220kg) and then stagger to a chute (hole in the floor) which had a slide down to the buchery department, so I then had to "throw the bacon off my back".....

 

[c21heel]

Would it be fair to say that in some cases a puller of the ball tends to turn the shoulders too level in the downswing? In other words, too much around and down instead of back and up?

 

[pieman]

i know brian's talked about this for some time, but wish he would address it a bit in a little video clip. any chance, brian?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

The whole idea of throwing the drunk off your back is to learn how to get the right shoulder to go downplane. Brian and I also focus more on the left shoulder because about 95% of peopel have an easier time getting the correct right shoulder motion by telling them what to do with their left.

Seems counterintuitive i know and i thought i knew better when i first started teaching but i learned QUICKLY that brian was right.

 

[rbaumgolf]

Brady,
The best advice would be to find a drunk and put them on your back and then throw him/her off. Stop by the club on Saturday night and I'm sure you'll find a few. :>)

 

[c21heel]

The whole idea of throwing the drunk off your back is to learn how to get the right shoulder to go downplane. Brian and I also focus more on the left shoulder because about 95% of peopel have an easier time getting the correct right shoulder motion by telling them what to do with their left.

Seems counterintuitive i know and i thought i knew better when i first started teaching but i learned QUICKLY that brian was right.

Agreed, I have never had any success with focusing on the right shoulder.

 

[c21heel]

Brady,
The best advice would be to find a drunk and put them on your back and then throw him/her off. Stop by the club on Saturday night and I'm sure you'll find a few. :>)

Haven't seen you lately. You are not prepping for another marathon are you?

 

[rbaumgolf]

I'll be there this Saturday...........

 

[wojo1941]

I learned this move from Brian's mentor, Ben Doyle. By lifting or throwing the left shoulder up it forces the right shoulder down, and makes it easier to keep the lag of the right wrist and forearm under my body. Delays the hit.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

I learned this move from Brian's mentor, Ben Doyle. By lifting or throwing the left shoulder up it forces the right shoulder down, and makes it easier to keep the lag of the right wrist and forearm under my body. Delays the hit.

Spot on.

 

[c21heel]

I learned this move from Brian's mentor, Ben Doyle. By lifting or throwing the left shoulder up it forces the right shoulder down, and makes it easier to keep the lag of the right wrist and forearm under my body. Delays the hit.

Thanks for the input; makes a lot of sense, especially for those of us who struggle with focusing on the right shoulder.

 

[pieman]

sorry to drag out this topic again, but while 'throwing the drunk' would you want to keep your back to the target as initial downswing thought? reason i ask is that i feel as if i throw my back shoulder more outwards rather than down to the ball. if i have the feeling of keeping the shoulders back would this perhaps thwart the outward feeling? thanks

 

[footwedge]

sorry to drag out this topic again, but while 'throwing the drunk' would you want to keep your back to the target as initial downswing thought? reason i ask is that i feel as if i throw my back shoulder more outwards rather than down to the ball. if i have the feeling of keeping the shoulders back would this perhaps thwart the outward feeling? thanks

Down, out and forward.

 

[pm4610]

Can you explain down, out, and forward? Is it the right shoulder that goes dof?