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Tiger has weekend off to reflect on disappointing U.S. Open

By Jerry Potter, USA TODAY

MAMARONECK, N.Y. — What's next for Tiger Woods, now that he has missed the cut in a major championship for the first time since 1996 when he was an amateur playing in The Masters?
"Practice," he answered Thursday, 30 minutes after shooing 76 for the second consecutive day at Winged Foot Golf Club to finish his U.S. Open at 12 over par.

There will be much analysis of Woods' performance in this Open, a championship that proved to be a reminder that behind his 10 major championship trophies stands a man who is human and capable of failure.

He came to New York to play tournament golf for the first time since his father Earl died nine weeks ago. He said that his father's death would not be a factor in his performance and he left Friday repeating that it was not a factor.

"When you don't execute you're not going to be happy," said Woods. "... Poor execution is never going to feel very good."

Michael Campbell, the defending Open champion and also a casualty of the cut, sought compassion for Woods.

"You've got to give him credit for actually turning up," said Campbell. "One thing I admire about Tiger is that he wanted to come back just to play golf and get away."

Six years ago, after Woods won the U.S. Open by 15 strokes, Jack Nicklaus, who won 18 majors, said Woods would have to cope with life's normal changes and adjust to maintain the high level of play that he showed in the early stages of his pro career.

Among those changes Nicklaus cited were marriage, the birth of children and the death of a parent. Jack's father died in early 1970, and the loss forced him to reevaluate his career. He concluded he had not been adequately devoted to his work, so he responded with new resolve and reached greater heights as a golfer.

Nicklaus remembers taking a couple of weeks off after his father died, and playing poorly in The Masters and the U.S. Open, before winning the British Open.

Woods said he'll most likely play again at the Western Open, July 6-9 near Chicago, in a tuneup for the British Open later in July.

"Unfortunately," he said when he asked about missing the cut, "I missed this one. Hopefully, I can win the British Open."

Woods' goal is to break Nicklaus' record of 18 victories in professional majors. Last March, Gary Player, like Woods and Nicklaus one of only five golfers to have won each of the four majors at least once in their career, was asked at the World Golf Village about Woods' chances of breaking the record.

"The only thing that I fear about Tiger," said Player, "is his driving. Jack Nicklaus hit some loose shots off the tee, but he was no where near as wild as Tiger."

At Winged Foot, Woods hit three fairways in regulation in the first round and four in the second. He hit 10 greens in regulation in the first round and eight in the second.

This is not the Tiger Woods who the U.S. Open, British Open and PGA Championship in 2000 and The Masters in '01 to hold all four major titles at the same time. That Tiger drove the ball with power and precision. In major championships, that's the first part of the equation. If you can't do that then skillful iron play, short game creativity and putting touch won't help you because you never get in position off the tee to use them.

Woods had all those skills six years ago, but he chose to alter his swing. He split with teaching pro Butch Harmon, who trained him though college and into his first five years as a pro. He replaced him with Hank Haney, a respected teacher and tutor to Mark O'Meara and others.

On the practice range Friday morning, while Tiger was hacking his way out of town, Harmon, a member of Winged Foot, was asked about Woods' training. He declined to comment.

In his recently released book, The Pro, Harmon wrote glowingly of Woods and Greg Norman, two high profile players he guided to No. 1 in the world only to have them leave him for other instructors.

Harmon said he always takes "the high road" and in the book he said he encouraged Woods to seek other opinions about the golf swing from different teachers. More than once when asked about Woods' struggles Harmon has said, "He'll be fine."

All the game's best players have had to adjust. At some point in their career they realized what they were doing was not working, or that they needed more help than they were getting.

Phil Mickelson fell to rock bottom in '03 when he didn't win a tournament and was helpless in the Presidents Cup, eventually becoming pretty much a cheerleader for the U.S. tied the Internationals in South Africa.

That fall he went back to work with his teachers — Rick Smith, who teaches the full swing, and Dave Pelz, who specializes in the short game and putting. Everybody knew that Mickelson was talented, but since he embraced the teachings of Smith and Pelz he has won the '04 Masters, '05 PGA Championship and '06 Masters.

Smith was standing at the entrance of the practice range Friday, maybe 50 yards from Harmon. When asked about Woods, like Harmon, Smith declined to talk specifics, adding, "I won't criticize Hank Haney."

In general terms he did discuss the skills that a pro needs in order to be a major championship winner and a great player. He spoke of three areas:

"Repetition," he said. "You have to have a swing that repeats under pressure. You can't rely on rhythm. You have to be able to swing the club in an aggressive manner with accuracy.

"You have to be able to control the spin of your golf ball. People say the modern player is not a shot-maker. If you want to win majors you have to be able to move the ball left and hit it high and low. When you can do that, you have a swing that deals with any issue."

Smith went on to explain that the great champions learned to control the ball generally by taking the hook out of their swing. They didn't need the power that comes with a draw; they needed the control that comes with a fade.

Ben Hogan struggled with a hook early in his career, and created a new style of swing that produced a fade which saved his career. Lee Trevino did the same thing, developing a swing that no pro would teach an amateur, but it would create a fade on command.

Jack Nicklaus always hit a fade, some say because he grew up at Scioto Country Club in Ohio, where everything on the left was out of bounds. Others believe his teacher, the late Jack Grout, had played the PGA Tour in the 1930s and '40s and noticed that the most accurate players, the ones who hit the ball closest to the hole on their approach shots, hit a fade.

Smith convinced Mickelson that he had to develop a fade if he wanted to control the ball.

"A hook doesn't listen," said Smith, echoing an old line from Trevino. "It can create bad things on a golf course. Under the pressure of competition, a fade will work."

Smith said his one opinion on Woods is that he's trying to hit a draw now, "and with his fast hips and a tendency to drop the club inside" on the downswing, he's developing "a dangerous combination."

Woods has so much athletic ability that he can copy any swing for a while, and his flaws are masked until he gets to major championships like an Open, where the setup is designed to demand perfection.

"Marginal shots are going to get killed here," Woods said before leaving Winged Foot. "At any U.S. Open venue we play, marginal shots get penalized, but it's more here than other places."

Smith said Woods has a good iron game and is a great putter.

"If there's a player who could play successfully with a different swing each year it would be Tiger," said Smith. "That's what makes him different."

He was certainly different in '99, 2000 and '01, both in his swing and his accomplishments. Back then he was almost perfect and one wonders if he'll ever get that close to perfection again.
 

Brian Manzella

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USA Today story written by a probably really nice guy who doesn't know anything about golf instruction. Of course said:
Blah, blah, blah...

"When you don't execute you're not going to be happy," said Woods. "... Poor execution is never going to feel very good."

This is what poor teacher tell their students is wrong. "You just aren't executing."

What is really happening is the pattern (the swing Haney is trying to get Tiger to make) doesn't fit the golfer.

Michael Campbell, the defending Open champion and also a casualty of the cut, sought compassion for Woods.

Blah, blah, blah...

"Unfortunately," he said when he asked about missing the cut, "I missed this one. Hopefully, I can win the British Open."

Translation: "I know I can execute this swing on the range. It just has to work better than it did this week.

Blah, blah, blah...

Woods had all those skills six years ago, but he chose to alter his swing. He split with teaching pro Butch Harmon, who trained him though college and into his first five years as a pro.

Because he couldn't fix Tiger's right shot.

He replaced him with Hank Haney, a respected teacher and tutor to Mark O'Meara and others.

That means he "must be THAT good."

On the practice range Friday morning, while Tiger was hacking his way out of town, Harmon, a member of Winged Foot, was asked about Woods' training. He declined to comment.

He is LOVIN' it.

Harmon said he always takes "the high road" and in the book he said he encouraged Woods to seek other opinions about the golf swing from different teachers. More than once when asked about Woods' struggles Harmon has said, "He'll be fine."

Why say ANYTHING. 99% of the people figure he did a better job than Hank.

Phil Mickelson fell to rock bottom in '03 when he didn't win a tournament and was helpless in the Presidents Cup, eventually becoming pretty much a cheerleader for the U.S. tied the Internationals in South Africa.

That fall he went back to work with his teachers — Rick Smith, who teaches the full swing, and Dave Pelz, who specializes in the short game and putting.

HE NEVER LEFT THEM FOR ONE SECOND!!

Smith screwed him up trying to get him not to have axis tilt (it was in Golf Digest and I TOLD EVERYONE it would be a DISASTER!), and Pelz wanted him to do that silly Perfy stroke.

Smith was standing at the entrance of the practice range Friday, maybe 50 yards from Harmon. When asked about Woods, like Harmon, Smith declined to talk specifics, adding, "I won't criticize Hank Haney."

Heaven forbid. The "troubleshooters," the Top 50, 100, 10.

Trust me, if I was teaching the guy, the press would have HUNG ME already. And so would the "Rick Smith's."

In general terms he did discuss the skills that a pro needs in order to be a major championship winner and a great player. He spoke of three areas:

"Repetition," he said. "You have to have a swing that repeats under pressure.

EVERYONE swing repeats. Tiger's swing doesn't work, Rick, Just like that no-axis-tilt thing you did with Phil.

Smith went on to explain that the great champions learned to control the ball generally by taking the hook out of their swing. They didn't need the power that comes with a draw; they needed the control that comes with a fade.

Tiger won 9 times in 2000 and four major in a row with a slight draw.

Ben Hogan struggled with a hook early in his career, and created a new style of swing that produced a fade which saved his career. Lee Trevino did the same thing, developing a swing that no pro would teach an amateur, but it would create a fade on command.

Hogan moved it BOTH WAYS, and Trevino may have the best swing ever.

Jack Nicklaus always hit a fade, some say because he grew up at Scioto Country Club in Ohio, where everything on the left was out of bounds. Others believe his teacher, the late Jack Grout, had played the PGA Tour in the 1930s and '40s and noticed that the most accurate players, the ones who hit the ball closest to the hole on their approach shots, hit a fade.

Smith convinced Mickelson that he had to develop a fade if he wanted to control the ball.

After trying to 'control' the draw with the NO AXIS TILT THINGY DIDN'T WORK!

Smith said his one opinion on Woods is that he's trying to hit a draw now, "and with his fast hips and a tendency to drop the club inside" on the downswing, he's developing "a dangerous combination."

He is trying to use this STUPID Haney-style reverse-swivel. Like Ben Doyle once said about the Haney-move, "Looks like he is trying to draw it and fade it at the same time."

Woods has so much athletic ability that he can copy any swing for a while, and his flaws are masked until he gets to major championships like an Open, where the setup is designed to demand perfection.

100% correct. Score one for the writer.

Smith said Woods has a good iron game and is a great putter.

Not anymore. He needs to watch the 1997 Masters' 1000 times in a row and use THAT Putting Pattern.

WHEW!
 
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Jared Willerson

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He pulled off some amazing pitches around the greens this week, I can't wait to see how Haney will make changes to his short game and putter now that Earl has passed.

"I won't criticize Hank Haney"............Why would anybody get instruction from some dude with the yips????......and why would a dude with the yips, who is in the top 10 in golf instruction tell everyone about it????
 
Tigers new teacher

Brian Manzella said:
And that somebody would be me.

:)


You would keep Tiger so good. Winning for all others would have to be second place. period.

Lets get it done, time for Tiger to me the Teacher.

The EYE of the Tiger is BM. I like that.
 
Haney changed o'meara after his greatest year, ironically o'meara starting hitting blocks and hooks!! I am a tiger fan but I can't believe he can't find one flight, most scratch players can change something during a round to find the fairway, I have seen it before but it sure looks like driver yips, in 2000 the pause at the top started everything together , now the transition looks like a long drive champion. He really has to dump THAT GUY!! TIM
 

Jamma

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What do guys think of Tigers swing back in time?? I mean the time when he was almost unbeatable.
And then...why the heck did he want to change it??!
 
Jamma said:
What do guys think of Tigers swing back in time?? I mean the time when he was almost unbeatable.
And then...why the heck did he want to change it??!

I am not sure. The knee injury affected him alot. He didn't want to snap his hip like he had been and sought a different type of action.

Also, he seems obsessed with hitting a draw over his fade, for the extra distance... I reckon not going with his natural shot is hurting him. Its sort of like being right handed and insisting on printing with your left... its gonna look ugly when done.

He needs to dump Hank. Go and see someone different. Quite simply he is way to busy in his head. If you had to think about driving a car you would wrap yourself around a tree every time... I find it ironic that what he need sto do is 'Just Do It.' Most of crap in his head has come out of Hank's mouth.
 
Why doesn't he just play a freaking iron off the tee or another 'safety' club???
He has a great iron and should aim to just put the white ball in play 275-285 yards.

WTF--- He's the best player in the world and he drives the ball like I do.
 
my personal opinion is that Phil and Tiger have the same problem. It's called ego. They feel they HAVE to hit big drives and IMO this is why Phil hit a driver on Sunday. He felt the crowd and was in a showoff mode.

Tiger hits it right when he swings out of his shoes. When he swings in balance he hits fairways. I put this last week as an aboration to his fathers death.

These guys could hit 3 woods all day long and hit fairways and still win, yet they hit drivers coming out of their shoes. Only one reason for that and it's ego.
 
wanole said:
my personal opinion is that Phil and Tiger have the same problem. It's called ego. They feel they HAVE to hit big drives and IMO this is why Phil hit a driver on Sunday. He felt the crowd and was in a showoff mode.

Tiger hits it right when he swings out of his shoes. When he swings in balance he hits fairways. I put this last week as an aboration to his fathers death.

These guys could hit 3 woods all day long and hit fairways and still win, yet they hit drivers coming out of their shoes. Only one reason for that and it's ego.

The greens are so severe they want to be using as short a club as possible to get to a good spot... perhaps that is their logic. I am with you with Phil... he should have went with his 4 wood or whatever he had with him on the last hole.

If Tiger can't hit a fairway with a driver what hope do I have?
 
I was really shocked at how poorly they ALL drove it. I'm not talking about missed fairways do to tight fairways, but these guys missed the earth quite often. The driver is easier to hit nowadays, yet these guys are all over the place.

WHY?
 
Haney will be "NEXTED" soon enough!!! None of the guys in the Top 10 really know what's going on..just all smoke and mirrors....Whoever can fix Tigers "right shot" will be the true "Llama himself" ...the 12th Son of the Llam..bald, striking, flowing robes ..the grace......a real big hitter!!!!

You see boys and girls...Tiger is struggling between hitting and swinging as if they were the same...His instinct it to Hit..but His mind's eye longs for that "Authentic Swing".....When will he seek the advice of someone who knows a little more than the "Average Joe?".....Hey Stallion...give us a brief rundown about how you...the man that could get it done....How would you "Tame the Uncontrolable Tiger?"
 

Brian Manzella

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Now why in the world would I want to do that?

Tell ya'll?

Nah.

But, no doubt, I'd fix him so good he might never lose.

A couple of "non-secret" things:

#1. Go back to 1997 Putting Pattern

#2. Put the REAL stinger back in use
 
Brian Manzella said:
Tell ya'll?

Nah.

But, no doubt, I'd fix him so good he might never lose.

A couple of "non-secret" things:

#1. Go back to 1997 Putting Pattern

#2. Put the REAL stinger back in use

You are assuming that he could still execute those with the same consistency. That may not be the case if his head has gotten in the way of physical functions.

He was once damn good, they he decided that it was time to move to the next level so it has to make one wonder what he was thinking...

I do think if he did just #1, the putting that he might capture something of old. I heard he just reverted back to an older putter set up, I hadn't realized he changed since he is slow to swap out equipment.
 

Jim Kobylinski

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solarbear said:
The greens are so severe they want to be using as short a club as possible to get to a good spot... perhaps that is their logic. I am with you with Phil... he should have went with his 4 wood or whatever he had with him on the last hole.

If Tiger can't hit a fairway with a driver what hope do I have?

Tell that to Fred Funk who was in great shape for a top ten finish until he shot 77 on sunday.

A lot is Ego with the idea, "ill fix it you'll see!"
 
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