Tiger questions (not bashings)
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trickyric67
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Nice video but the angle on the Foley swing is way off and deceptive, he is clearly aiming to the right of the camera which give the illusion of a very inside takeaway. I don't think his swings are all that different, I think he is.
mgranato
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Tiger, don't listen to these guys! They are well intentioned but they just don't understand how close you are. You and I both know all you need is more reps. I love your current form (what's not to love, right), but if I'm nitpicking, I'd like to see you a little more closed at impact. You've won 14 majors for crying out loud, these guys have a combined 0. You've got so many positives to take away from the PGA, but the main one has to be - YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK! Just stay at it, and don't change a thing.
(fist to chest) Much love.
(fist to chest) Much love.
Todd Dugan
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Tiger always had essentially sqaure shoulders at impact, even back when he was skin and bones. A lot of time was spent with Butch, and later, Hank, to get the club in positions in the backswing and at the top that would counter an overly rightward swing direction. A different but potentially more effective approach is to permit the top position to be a little rightward but to get the club on the desired swing direction by leading the club into impact with more shoulder rotation and less arm swing, which will shift the swing direction more leftward as well as any other techinique to do so. By the looks of his swing through the years, it doesn't seem as though that approach was ever explored.
good observation todd a little carry move is something tiger never had in his swing. its interesting in those pictures his shoulders dont look any where near as steep as i have seen of tiger at impact. but as you pointed out todd they are still not open enough
Guessing he's the Foley benchmark.
faux_maestro
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Can't do that, he MUST use the same release etc. through out the bag. And isn't it a law now that all swings must be compared to Grant Waite?
Todd Dugan
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He's does have a great swing. Which shows that there's a lot more to winning tournaments and majors than just your golf swing. As much as I enjoy pointing out the shortcomings of Tiger's new pattern, the bigger reality is that the scandal rocked his mojo.
Jim Kobylinski
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If Tiger is trying to "look" like Hunter through the ball, he'll probably never win another major imo or if he does it will be by sheer determination/talent.
Trying to get Tigers shoulders that open with a driver will ruin him more than what Haney did to Duval; again just my opinion.
Trying to get Tigers shoulders that open with a driver will ruin him more than what Haney did to Duval; again just my opinion.
faux_maestro
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Why the hell is he going down this road? I'm still trying to figure it out.
I remember in his win at the 2007 PGA (he had a "disappointing" season to that point) Peter Kostis talked about some changes he made (I know it was Kostis but it was OBVIOUS enough that I saw it before Kostis mentioned it), standing closer to the ball, slightly stronger grip. It got him a little more upright not laid off instead of that flat laid off stuff he had been doing before and he won 4 times to finish the year. A little tweak got him on a roll, not blowing up the whole motion. I still can't figure this one out.
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It called the Law of Guru. The Guru is always right. Everybody has to do what the Guru says. The Guru has to justify nothing because the Guru understands things that no-one else can.
http://youtu.be/z5K3E0sAoDc
birly-shirly
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Can't help but feel that Woods wants/needs a Guru at least as much as Foley wants to act out the part. The sporting psyche can be a delicate things to be around such blunt instruments.
Lindsey Newman
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There is no way Tiger will ever look like Mahan at impact.Hunter is an extreme example of being open.The other is Jim Furyk.
First off you have to understand why players are too square like Tiger while others are more open.Players who are open with the shoulders use their pivot rotation to rotate their left forearm.In other words they are squaring up the clubface with their pivot.Tiger is doing it mostly with his forearms.He can get away doing that with the slower clubhead speed irons but will more erratic with the driver.
If other things being equal,the more open your shoulders are at impact,the more the left forearm is rotated closed.When Tiger gets "stuck",he gets too closed with his shoulders and then he's going to have to get the rotation with his forearms instead.He calls it "flipping" it over to save the shot.It's not really a flip but forearm rotation to square the face.
Another player who was erratic of the tee was Seve and you guessed it,shoulders square at impact as well.Another player who uses mostly forearms to square the face.
First off you have to understand why players are too square like Tiger while others are more open.Players who are open with the shoulders use their pivot rotation to rotate their left forearm.In other words they are squaring up the clubface with their pivot.Tiger is doing it mostly with his forearms.He can get away doing that with the slower clubhead speed irons but will more erratic with the driver.
If other things being equal,the more open your shoulders are at impact,the more the left forearm is rotated closed.When Tiger gets "stuck",he gets too closed with his shoulders and then he's going to have to get the rotation with his forearms instead.He calls it "flipping" it over to save the shot.It's not really a flip but forearm rotation to square the face.
Another player who was erratic of the tee was Seve and you guessed it,shoulders square at impact as well.Another player who uses mostly forearms to square the face.
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