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bcoak
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I think Episode 4 would be a good start. The explanation by Brian of dropping/pulling/pushing your arms down from the top (and feel like they would crash into the ground behind you) and pick them up with your pivot would be a good start.
golfbulldog
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Do you think that if they were aiming their lag pressure point correctly ( at aiming point on the plane line) then the body would be allowed to outrace their arms?
This is my current hunch but wait to hear what the pros say.
StewartBannatyne
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Teach them early on that the club needs to move left after the ball, and it's done with a connection between the arms and the body...
Too many kids try to rip it from the inside and hit the sweeper hook, and it just teaches them bad habits.
Stew
Too many kids try to rip it from the inside and hit the sweeper hook, and it just teaches them bad habits.
Stew
Please can you elaborate as to how that relates to the question? I'm confused...
bts
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Shake it off.
Yeah, it's like shake the water off the hands after washing the hands.
Don't shake, but rotate.
StewartBannatyne
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Please can you elaborate as to how that relates to the question? I'm confused...
The body outraces the arms because kids try and kill it from the inside, and they just spin out...I've been dealing with this for the last five years or so, being that I am one of those ultra-flexible kids. We try and limit our hip turn as much as possible, while still making quite a large shoulder turn, and then rip it as hard as we can, the hips spin out and the club drops behind and underneath, and the body gets lost way ahead of it.
Learning to use the entire body as a unit, swinging the club more left, following the body rotation, stops this...Just because you can make a 100 degree shoulder turn and a 20 degree hip turn doesn't mean you should do it, and then coupled with the fact that we're all trying to basically hit it as far as we can, it leads to the body outracing the arms.
Stew
Monitor.. but then wht do you do with that monitoring?
Interesting.. I find it's the exact opposite direction the club travels. It doesn't come from the inside, it gets thrown from the outside and accross to the inside... thus the reason it fades. The so called "power fade".
Mr Inconsistent
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Uh, what. Stewart is absolutely right, if the body outraces the hands like a lot of juniors do including myself when I was a junior the hands will drop inside and it will result just as Stew was describing there. What you are describing is actually impossible Ringer, and who is talking about about a fade? Stewart's talking about a hook. If your body outraces your hands then by definition your hands are left behind and from that postion it's impossible to come over the top, coming over the top is from the opposite, when the hands outrace the body, or at least tie.
Mr Inconsistent
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Yes Fingersen it would, I'm surprised Ringer is so lost on this.
Whoa. Actually that is exactly how the body outraces the hands. When the lower body gets too far ahead of the upper body especially the hands. THis is why flexible juniors who are trying to hit it far usually have this problem. This is the problem Tiger Woods has talked about for the last 10 years.
If the hands go out with the shoulder then the body is obviously not outracing the hands.
Whoa. Actually that is exactly how the body outraces the hands. When the lower body gets too far ahead of the upper body especially the hands. THis is why flexible juniors who are trying to hit it far usually have this problem. This is the problem Tiger Woods has talked about for the last 10 years.
Well I'm afraid that's the final nail in the coffin for your argument...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HigCq2ucNvA&mode=related&search=
They SAY it's comming from inside.. but watch his hands and his right shoulder. Watch how much sooner his shoulders are openning up. Pay attention to his right shoulder at the beginning of the clip... then during his "ole" swing.
Mr Inconsistent
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First of all you are not even posting a clip of a real swing so the video is basically worthless. But in the first move he's not turning his hips hardly at all and dropping his arms down, he doesn't actually do this in a real swing he just tries to feel like he does. Then in the second swing, "watch his shoulder"? You might want to try watching his hips, because that is the whole point, he is firing them way ahead of everything else. Of course the shoulders open some too, the guy's not Gumby, but in relation to the hips they are way behind. He's clearly coming inside out not outside in in the ole swing, and if it were a real swing the centrifugal force of his turn would make his hands more inside. Just swallow your pride and learn something here, because you are way, way off.Clubhead is comming from inside.. hands are comming from outside.
There's no pride to swallow, you're just avoiding the shoulders because it's the only way you can think the way you do.
You're talking hips, I'm talking shoulders. Open shoulders mean thrown out hands.. Whether the club is laid off or not, it's unavoidable. If the club is laid off enough as Tiger shows in the Ole swing, then with perfect timing the OUT to IN hands mix with the IN to OUT clubhead and produce square. But it is still an "Over the Top" move non-the-less. It's jsut a laid off club to compensate and hopefully bring it to square. A slicer has the SAME THING, just that the club isn't laid off... it's bisecting their neck halfway to the ball where as Tiger and good juniors have it laid off.
There's no pride to swallow, you're just avoiding the shoulders because it's the only way you can think the way you do.
You're talking hips, I'm talking shoulders. Open shoulders mean thrown out hands.. Whether the club is laid off or not, it's unavoidable. If the club is laid off enough as Tiger shows in the Ole swing, then with perfect timing the OUT to IN hands mix with the IN to OUT clubhead and produce square. But it is still an "Over the Top" move non-the-less. It's jsut a laid off club to compensate and hopefully bring it to square. A slicer has the SAME THING, just that the club isn't laid off... it's bisecting their neck halfway to the ball where as Tiger and good juniors have it laid off.
cmartingolf
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Impact bag or tire
Guys/gals; a great way to sync up the arms and body is to spend some time on the impact bag or better, an old tire. It's amazing when you put something that requires your bodies attention out in front of you. I have a State Champ gal that gets a little racey and looses compression and control. A half dozen whacks at the tire and she's synced up again nicely. The body will protect itself and match up. A golf ball doesn't get the same respect.
Guys/gals; a great way to sync up the arms and body is to spend some time on the impact bag or better, an old tire. It's amazing when you put something that requires your bodies attention out in front of you. I have a State Champ gal that gets a little racey and looses compression and control. A half dozen whacks at the tire and she's synced up again nicely. The body will protect itself and match up. A golf ball doesn't get the same respect.
Mr Inconsistent
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When people talk about the body outracing the hands they are talking mostly about the hips, and this is what juniors do, and this is what Tiger did. In 0% of these cases are they coming over the top or outside in, it is the opposite situation of that. Believe what you want Ringer with your pretentious attitude, but you are absolutely clueless.
I have been absolutely civil about this disagreement but evidently just the fact that I disagree makes me pretentious. How wonderfully civil of you.
Where the hips go, the shoulders go. Where the shoulders go, the hands go. So a fast lower body TENDS to lead to open shoulders at impact.
The STUCK position is spun hips, spun shoulders, over the top hands, and a laid off club. Everything about the BODY is over the top and pulling accross the body. Everything about the clubhead is inside and under. The Crossing of these two elements is timed to make a straight ball flight. But if timing is off, then the ball flight is WAY off.
THAT is the junior "stuck" move.
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