Tracing straight plane line observations

[Jim Kobylinski]

True, but the less manipulation the better, IMO. Especially under the gun.

Agreed, but do you think Sergio would hit it any better if he traced a straight line on his backswing or his transition? Probably not.

so again, through impact is what counts, but if you can make a swing where the plane line doesn't bend, why would you?

 

[moreira85]

Best training aid device ever, however you can learn to trace a straight line with an off plane right shoulder so be careful of that BUT other than that, i love it.

Most people that i give the lasers to find out how "flat" they really are on the backswing and how inside/out it tends to make them on the downswing. For those people the swing will feel more "up" and less "out". Obviously it will feel the opposite for people who swing a little OTT and too far left.

Learn how to trace that line (through impact) with an onplane right shoulder and the ball will behave much more how you want, promise.

when i TRY to do this drill my tendancy to try and keep the club head tracing the line on the way down feels really different than my old swing. i try to trace the plane line and at first on the way down the club head kept getting outside the line. in order for me to trace the plane line on the way up and down it feels like the club is moving more on an up and down motion rather than an around my body motion. NOT SURE IF CORRECT

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

when i TRY to do this drill my tendancy to try and keep the club head tracing the line on the way down feels really different than my old swing. i try to trace the plane line and at first on the way down the club head kept getting outside the line. in order for me to trace the plane line on the way up and down it feels like the club is moving more on an up and down motion rather than an around my body motion. NOT SURE IF CORRECT

you sound like a lot of decent players i gave lessons to for almost a year...too much around and not enough up.

with all the "flat swing rage" these days, everyone wants rotation but forgets the club must also go UP not just IN.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Surely one only needs to trace the straight plane line in the pre-impact and post-impact phase of the swing, and there is no absolute need for the club's butt end to trace the straight plane line in the upper half of the backswing/downswing.

Jeff.

Absolutely. Great post. Positions outside of pre and post impact CAN be very overrated. Ideally, I suppose it would be nice if the club always traced that line. But there's alot of good,athletic players who couldn't play at all if they got a lesson that started them at P1,P2......

 

[bcoak]

Hit wedges last night, about 30 or so before range closed (getting dark early!), and all I concentrated on was TSP back and through. Especially concentrated on getting the butt of the club down the line as it really made my right shoulder go down plane. Very different feel but I hit them all great. Same trajectory, flight, and crispness. Too bad its Oct. and not May.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Best training aid device ever, however you can learn to trace a straight line with an off plane right shoulder so be careful of that BUT other than that, i love it.

Most people that i give the lasers to find out how "flat" they really are on the backswing and how inside/out it tends to make them on the downswing. For those people the swing will feel more "up" and less "out". Obviously it will feel the opposite for people who swing a little OTT and too far left.

Learn how to trace that line (through impact) with an onplane right shoulder and the ball will behave much more how you want, promise.

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[bcoak]

Angela Park video. Kind of goofy editing but they do 2 slow motion swings starting at 20 seconds in. I like, and have been trying to get in, the position of about 1/2 way down and the butt of her club is pointing right down the plane line.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omjskmbfeIY

 

[Leek]

you sound like a lot of decent players i gave lessons to for almost a year...too much around and not enough up.

with all the "flat swing rage" these days, everyone wants rotation but forgets the club must also go UP not just IN.

Jim- reading the forums this indeed sounds like an epidemic. I've always done this and have been fighting it for a long time. What's the root cause?

 

[mb6606]

Jim- reading the forums this indeed sounds like an epidemic. I've always done this and have been fighting it for a long time. What's the root cause?

Shoulder Turn take away is one reason.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Blah, shoulder turn takeaway has been around since Bobby jones if not earlier and the "fad" with them was to be upright and across the line.

Honestly, i think it is just a swing fad. A lot of teachers/magazines/TV events preach rotation, rotation and how everyone is trying to get "flatter" with no good reason to do so.

So more and more people try it but when you get that flat, you better have a good enough pivot and drop that club to the elbow plane otherwise you won't hit it very good.

This is similar to when everyone wanted to swing more upright in the 70s/80s, now we're just going to flat.

 

[conkanen]

Just came across this new laser trainer. Hope ok to post BM.
http://www.smartstickgolf.com/

I took a look a this as well..seems to be cross between a good laser trainer and the Pure Swing by Rover Golf.

Anyone care to comment on this aid? Looks to be pretty good in learning to trace a SPL.

 

[strataboy-Gary Ho]

I took a look a this as well..seems to be cross between a good laser trainer and the Pure Swing by Rover Golf.

Anyone care to comment on this aid? Looks to be pretty good in learning to trace a SPL.

1.) Pure Swing should be much more effective because it gives u feedback while hitting balls.

2.) Although ur tracing a straight plane line with this Smart Stick; there is no clubface to monitor.

I havent used this training aid before; but this is what i think. Any other comments?

Thanks!!

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Anything that doesn't have you practice with an actual club i find suspect. With a good laser trainer you are putting them ON your club and it will "feel" like a club when you swing it. The smart stick won't.

If you want something like the smart stick though, i would buy Rover Golf's pure swing and find a way to attach lasers to that, boom best of both worlds.

 

[strataboy-Gary Ho]

Anything that doesn't have you practice with an actual club i find suspect. With a good laser trainer you are putting them ON your club and it will "feel" like a club when you swing it. The smart stick won't.

If you want something like the smart stick though, i would buy Rover Golf's pure swing and find a way to attach lasers to that, boom best of both worlds.

Great advice!!

 

[Leek]

Well Jim, I have a Pure Swing and a laser that screws into the grip. Unfortunately, the Pure Swing grip wouldn't allow that. I guess I'll just keep putting the laser into a 5 or 6 iron.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Well Jim, I have a Pure Swing and a laser that screws into the grip. Unfortunately, the Pure Swing grip wouldn't allow that. I guess I'll just keep putting the laser into a 5 or 6 iron.

Tape the laser to the straight piece of the pure swing, might work.

 

[Bill Miracle]

You could get all of Rover's stuff

and a plane laser for the cost of the swing stick. I like Martin Hall but...is anybody else like me and cringe when they see Bruce F promoting something????

 

[Brian Manzella]

OFFICIAL BRIAN MANZELLA STATEMENT!!

I do not teach everyone to "trace" a straight plane line on the backswing and the downswing!!!

Even on the Basic 5 Manzella Matrix Patterns.

I would endorse practicing "laser tracing" from RELEASE POINT to the finish swivel—just so you can have it in "your toolbox" of ideas.

 

[Bronco Billy]

I do not teach everyone to "trace" a straight plane line on the backswing and the downswing!!!

Even on the Basic 5 Manzella Matrix Patterns.

I would endorse practicing "laser tracing" from RELEASE POINT to the finish swivel—just so you can have it in "your toolbox" of ideas.

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