Trackman - Axis Tilt - Differences?

[cwdlaw223]

Do the same ratios apply for the axis tilt if one hits a pull fade vs. a push draw (assume the same ball speed)? For example, if a push draw occurs with a club path of 3.0 and face angle of 1.5 to have the ball go right and land on the target line, would it be the same for a pull fade if the club path was -3.0 and the face angle was -1.5?

Just curious. I have better misses with pull fades. That could be a function of the course I play, however, my push draw often becomes a draw more than my pull fade becomes a pull.

 

[Frans@France]

yes, if both are center hits and same angle of attack, dync loft etc..

 

[cwdlaw223]

Thank.

 

[mjstrong]

My thoughts on this topic (good question, btw):

In a controlled environment, Frans is correct, both will be identical.

However, in real life, I would be willing to bet (no proof, just a reasonable theory) that most fades occur with a steeper angle of attack and/or higher lofted face, so the Spin Loft is higher, thus making it harder to tilt that spin axis. In the same theory, most draws would have a shallower vertical path, thus a lower spin loft, thus easier to tilt the spin axis too much and let that draw get away from you once in a while.

 

[Kevin Shields]

I believe mj is correct. That ratio would only apply given the same dynamic loft appied to the ball

 

[cwdlaw223]

Am I correct that the steeper angle of attack comes from a more out to in swing path?

How does the spin loft increase? I don't understand Trackman's formula.

I thought the real world application calls for a pull fade (for me) because I can't hit low lofted irons that well with a draw or push draw.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Steeper angle from more in to out?? Where are you coming up with that?

Spin loft increases when you hit when dynamic loft gets further away from attack angle. 0.0* AoA & 15* dyn loft = 15* spin loft
-2* AoA & 18* dyn loft = 20* spin loft

 

[cwdlaw223]

I said out to in, not in to out. Now I understand the spin loft concept. The negative was throwing me off. Thanks.