TRACKMAN data interpretation
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Steve Greffen
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Or not in the center, perhaps more in the heel. Only 4.5 down for tour average with 8 iron so better to adjust the aoa IMO.
westy
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everything is a compromise. you cant 1.50 an 8 iron, so it is 'compromised' by its very nature.
it would be fair to say as long as the ball goes in the hole, its a good mixture.
i like a little wee cut with my 8 iron that goes 145. all day.
an easy way to suck out a little ballspeed.
but i get what you are saying.
it would be fair to say as long as the ball goes in the hole, its a good mixture.
i like a little wee cut with my 8 iron that goes 145. all day.
an easy way to suck out a little ballspeed.
but i get what you are saying.
Frans@France
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euh...sorry don't understand? all depends on the dynamic loft en the difference between face and clubpath. So -7AoA, going outside-in, club square to target and a bit of forward shaft lean.
I'll try to explain what I mean: If I'm 7* down, I'm pretty much inside-out, right? Then I'm gona hit a big hook with a face square to target or a big push with a face square to path. But I want it starting left with fade spin. So I need to get a clubhead direction (HSP) which is very left and a face which is miles open to this very left path so that the ball doesn't start way left. I want it starting a touch left af target with fade. So, all in all I've now got a very downward and leftward traveling clubface with a low point way left of the ball and a face which is miles open to the path. I don't know if you can hit it even a little solid with this combination. Hence the question.
What is the most likely shot I'm going to hit when I try to fade it with a 7* AoA?
Just because your attack angle is -7 doesn't mean your path will always be in to out. There's a lot of variables at play during impact. However, the tendency with such a downward strike (assume a relatively normal VSP range) would be for a in to out path. A fade isn't impossible. All about path (which is influenced by the AoA) and face angle.
Unless I'm missing something, aren't you just getting in a mix with low point and impact? At impact clubface must be slightly closed to target and "path" will be (instantaneously) slightly more leftward. So face is slightly open to path. HSP is way left, like you said, but the clubhead is only travelling along HSP at low point. By the time you get there, the face will probably be closing up as well, unless you're trying to hold it of to hit your fade. Even then, I don't think it will be as open as you think.
With such a large AoA and an open face, I think you'll get a ton of spin, so my guess would be short and balloony, even if you got enough shaft lean to start it low.
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Brian Manzella
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You guys must be talking about Mr. Fabersham......
I can hit a nice 7° down 8-iron cut all-day, and Tom Bartlett would do the same, except the ball would go 20 yards further.
I can hit a nice 7° down 8-iron cut all-day, and Tom Bartlett would do the same, except the ball would go 20 yards further.
Frans@France
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no, or is the "right?" not a question?
Frans@France
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I did question his question/statement Surely I am in to out relative to a straight at the target plane line? Is it not the essence of the d-plane that you hook it/push it when you hit down unless you adjust face (open) and HSP (left)?
FIRST THREE MINUTES:
YouTube - The Essential D-Plane
Lets take an extreme example: If I turn my HSP 90* left and try and hit a fade I'd need a face which was about 80* open to path and the clubface would hardly touch the ball.
My question was at what point does the AoA become so steep (requiring an increasingly leftward HSP) that it's impossible to hit it solid whilst fading the ball? According to Brian not at 7*. Maybe someone would be kind enough to supply HSP and clubface data for a 7* downward struck fade? And then maybe tell us how to get the face open enough to hit a solid shot without messing up all the other impact factors.
Tom Losinger
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I agree.
ORIGINAL QUESTION:
"Assuming 7* downward AoA with an 8-iron, would it be fair to say that a fade is impossible without compromising the quality of the strike?"
In other words, would you have to hit it with an extremely glancing blow in order get the face open enough to produce the fade spin?
I can hit a fade as well. But that wasn't the question. The question was about compromised quality of strike.
"Assuming 7* downward AoA with an 8-iron, would it be fair to say that a fade is impossible without compromising the quality of the strike?"
In other words, would you have to hit it with an extremely glancing blow in order get the face open enough to produce the fade spin?
I can hit a fade as well. But that wasn't the question. The question was about compromised quality of strike.
Great examples people hitting fades is not, yes, wait for it..............SCIENTIFIC!
At some point you cannot compress it with a leftward, downward path and an open clubface. That is a scientific fact. I'm asking all the guys with access to trackman data at what point this happens. I think westy realised what I was getting at.
At some point you cannot compress it with a leftward, downward path and an open clubface. That is a scientific fact. I'm asking all the guys with access to trackman data at what point this happens. I think westy realised what I was getting at.
Frans@France
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I'm sorry but did you edit your original question? Otherwise I still do not get your question. This is the original question
Never did you mention inside-out, HSP etc.... So what I did I explained that it is no problem at all to hit a fade with that AoA.
Virtuoso
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If you've decided that too much of an "oblique" impact can compromize the quality of your strike, then haven't you already done that by pulling a short iron out of the bag. In the vertical plane, the short iron creates a very oblique/glancing strike (and thus, a lot of the energy is converted to spin instead of ball speed). Having the path a little left (or even a lot left) of the face angle is not going compromise it much more than you already have by the very nature of the loft of that club, even if you are hitting 7 degrees down at it.
Sometimes I think talking about swing plane (HSP/swing direction) instead of just face/loft and path/attack has added more confusion than clarity.
You didn't mention leftward in your 1st post. If you're going to hit a fade, you better be leftward if you want to hit it at the target. Just because the club head is moving in to out, doesn't mean it's moving to the right of your target.
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