Assuming a VSP of 63*, you need to have the HSP 3.5* left of the target line to hit a straight shot at the target.
The Face Angle needs to be 0* which is 3.5* open to the PLANE (not the PATH). I think you are a bit confused on this point.
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Assuming a VSP of 63*, you need to have the HSP 3.5* left of the target line to hit a straight shot at the target.
The Face Angle needs to be 0* which is 3.5* open to the PLANE (not the PATH). I think you are a bit confused on this point.
Thanks for the replies, all good points.
Frans: yes my original question was a little short on detail. No, I did not edit it. I clarified in a later post what maybe should have been detailed in the question.
savy: thanks for the numbers, these are what matters.
Virtuoso: Sometimes I think talking about swing plane (HSP/swing direction) instead of just face/loft and path/attack has added more confusion than clarity. Yes I agree.
Question to savy: When you say 3.5* open to plane you mean obvioulsy at impact/separation. That means either having it 3.5* open throughout the swing or changing the rate of closure in the impact zone, right?
Frans: yes my original question was a little short on detail. No, I did not edit it. I clarified in a later post what maybe should have been detailed in the question.
savy: thanks for the numbers, these are what matters.
Virtuoso: Sometimes I think talking about swing plane (HSP/swing direction) instead of just face/loft and path/attack has added more confusion than clarity. Yes I agree.
Question to savy: When you say 3.5* open to plane you mean obvioulsy at impact/separation. That means either having it 3.5* open throughout the swing or changing the rate of closure in the impact zone, right?
adamscot89
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There are plenty of things you can do to get the face a little more open, you can adjust your grip a little bit open at setup, you can open the face slightly at address, you can open the face a little more in the backswing then make a normal swing from there, or just slow your closure rate on the downswing.
Honestly if all else fails you can always just swing further left, with the same face angle at impact moving your plane further and further left will produce more of a fade, honestly this is what I would try. I don't know your skill level nor am I trying to insult your abilities, but most average to decent players find it much easier to adjust path than clubface, especially considering the short amount of time in the downswing you have to adjust something as minute as the clubface if you haven't made prior adjustments.
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Thanks guys.
My skill level is high, but just like a lot of good players I struggle with the double cross when I AIM (HSP) left. This could be the flaw in my thinking - the true HSP, as the savy one says, is thro impact. Next question (sorry!): when is it too late to adjust HSP and what are sexy faders who hit down on it doing to make sure the HSP is left enough (apart from aiming left, which obviously isn't enough on its own).
My skill level is high, but just like a lot of good players I struggle with the double cross when I AIM (HSP) left. This could be the flaw in my thinking - the true HSP, as the savy one says, is thro impact. Next question (sorry!): when is it too late to adjust HSP and what are sexy faders who hit down on it doing to make sure the HSP is left enough (apart from aiming left, which obviously isn't enough on its own).
Tom Losinger
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Only if it is an off-center strike.
westy
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sweet you got it
all zeros is no compromise......AoA, path, face, center.
does bartlett hit it better than you bmanz?
or just harder?......
twenty yards is quite a bit.
is he big?
angry?
lol
Also, who has the least compromise?
bubba at plus nine?
who has the least delivered loft ......wins.
not.
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With a neutral face and HSP aligned to target when the clubhead is travelling downwards (impact before low point) the face will be open to target line but square to path. And when travelling upwards it will be open to the target line but square to path. Right?
In the case of a downward AoA:
This means that if I rotate my HSP just enough left to square the face to the target line at impact, I will hit it straight. If I don't rotate at all I will hit a straight push because my face is pointing right of target and the clubhead is travelling the same amount right that the face is pointing. So if I push hooked, it would be because the face was closed to the path but still open to the target. Right?
If I rotate my HSP too much I will hit a straight pull because my face is pointing more left (however the face is still square to the path). If I was to hit a pull fade with the HSP in this scenario where the HSP is more rotated it would be reasonable to deduce that although my face is still pointing more left of target because my clubhead is travelling even more left that the face has been opened relative to the the path in some way. Right?
I hope savy is listening....
In the case of a downward AoA:
This means that if I rotate my HSP just enough left to square the face to the target line at impact, I will hit it straight. If I don't rotate at all I will hit a straight push because my face is pointing right of target and the clubhead is travelling the same amount right that the face is pointing. So if I push hooked, it would be because the face was closed to the path but still open to the target. Right?
If I rotate my HSP too much I will hit a straight pull because my face is pointing more left (however the face is still square to the path). If I was to hit a pull fade with the HSP in this scenario where the HSP is more rotated it would be reasonable to deduce that although my face is still pointing more left of target because my clubhead is travelling even more left that the face has been opened relative to the the path in some way. Right?
I hope savy is listening....
lia41985
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Just saw this! Incredible enlightening
Thanks!Just saw this.
You're descriptions sort of imply that path is not independent of face so it is hard to confirm what you are saying is completely true although I think you have the general gist.
If the Face Angle matches the resultant Club Path, then it will be a straight shot in that direction. No spin axis tilt, no curve.
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