Jim,I don't think in my case a flat left wrist is good enough. I need more arch in my left wrist to guarantee it doesn't break down.I think TGM is wrong.An arched left wrist is an imperative,not a flat one.An arched left wrist with knuckles down at impact is the key IMHO.As Hogan said in his book,that is the only way to get that "sweet feeling" at impact.
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Jim Kobylinski
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I think you misunderstood...i was just using my training of my flat left wrist to show you how you can learn to do something consciously that will turn into un-conscious mechanics if trained correctly.
Wanole, I've suffered from the same thing you do for a long time. I have extremely active hands and often bow my left wrist too much hitting smothered hooks. What's helped me is what I call "hitting from the right pocket". I just make sure my right elbow drops back into the spot where is was at set up and turn. It's helped and it feels much smoother..
jeffy
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Well, be careful with this...my father ruined his game after reading Hogan's book and deciding to arch his left wrist in the backswing, which, of course, Hogan neither did, nor advocated. Hogan talked of rotating his left arm and cupping the left wrist as his secret, and it is clearly "anatomically flat" in his DTL swing sequences.
At impact, Hogan was quite bowed and arched in his pre-accident days when he hit low hooks (see illustrations in Power Golf). However, the swing sequence from the mid-fifties has his left wrist pretty darn flat, just slightly bowed, approaching impact (see sequence in The Venturi Analyisis, The Methods of Golf's Masters or Ben Hogan: The Man Behind the Mystique).
Jeffy,however much i admire Hogan i don't plan to copy his swing.The only feature i want from his swing is the slight arch at impact.Hogan kept a slight cup in his left wrist at the top and with an ocean of talent(something i don't have),he worked his left wrist to an arched position at impact.
As regarding an arched left wrist and hooks,i believe this has already been covered in this forum.Arching the left wrist does not close the clubface.It delofts it.Rolling(swivel) the left wrist closes the clubface.If you're hitting smothered hooks,it's not because of too much arch,it's too much swivel.
As regarding an arched left wrist and hooks,i believe this has already been covered in this forum.Arching the left wrist does not close the clubface.It delofts it.Rolling(swivel) the left wrist closes the clubface.If you're hitting smothered hooks,it's not because of too much arch,it's too much swivel.
jeffy
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Don't read too much into my post: Trevino played with an arched left wrist at the top and Nicklaus considers both him and Hogan the best ballstrikers he ever saw. Also, Hogan's hooks were caused by his downswing, specifically jamming his right elbow in front of his hip deep into the downswing then squaring the club with his hands, not the bowed left wrist, which, as you say, merely lowers ball flight.
My advice is, though, before you become too commited to this swing change, I'd check out the later Hogan swing sequences and compare them to other top players because, in his later years, I don't think he bowed it very much at impact, in relative terms.
Also, I don't think it is that hard to duplicate Hogan's TOS and impact positions; I think the notion that "only Hogan could swing like Hogan" or that his swing required extreme athletic ability is bogus. If, on the downswing, you keep your right elbow up and back by your right side and let the right forearm drop down on the ball as your left arm rotates counter clockwise, you should get to a very nice impact position if, like Hogan, you are a double-shift swinger. I know this contradicts what is in Five Lessons, but Jim Hardy has demonstrated that Hogan didn't swing that way in his later, better ballstriking years, despite what was in his book. In fact, knowing what I do about Hogan's competitive nature and ego, I wouldn't be surprised if he deliberately kept that misinformation in the book, just as great cooks will sabotage recipes when given out.
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Ha. Good point man...true, you never really know about advice from pros. I'd prolly want to keep something secret if I felt it gave me a competitive edge. One more reason to not try to copy pros TOO MUCH...like Homer has said.
Now...I'm gonna paint my yellow book a different colour I think. [8D]
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