Twistaway+strong grip+baseline left path? (now with Duval video)
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gmbtempe
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Isn't that where Duval is at the top? He takes it up a little different than a pure twist but it looks flat wrist at the top but dead shut, from there just rotate hard left.
I really don't know and am not suggesting I am right but its what popped in my mind watching his video so thought I would ask about both him and the ball flight of the combo I listed.
Todd Dugan
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No, but the clubface will only rotate open on the plane/to the arc about 45*. Nobody's clubface is ACTUALLY "closed" at the top. Just varying degrees of open.
lia41985
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An on plane (0 degree face, 0 degree horizontal swing plane, shaft angle not steep or flat) take back will have the shaft twisting about itself 45 degree clockwise with no additional shaft about itself rotation. A twist away puts an additional 45 degree clockwise rotation of the shaft about itself that shifts the face and horizontal swing plane 45 degrees to the right--assuming the club stays on this horizontal swing plane with a face that is matched up for that horizontal swing plane (zeroed out for that particular horizontal swing plane) and a level strike (0 degree angle of attack) that ball will go 45 degrees to the right of the original target line. A twist towards puts a 45 degree counterclockwise rotation of the shaft about itself that shifts the horizontal swing plane and face 45 degrees to the left--assuming the club stays on this horizontal swing plane with a face that is matched up for that horizontal swing plane (zeroed out for that particular horizontal swing plane) and a level strike (0 degree angle of attack) that ball will go 45 degrees to the left of the original target line.
Twist away is a concept that encourages the golfer who is twisting toward (counter clockwise rotating the shaft about itself) to learn the proper amount of twist away (45 degrees clockwise shaft about itself rotation) by making an extra amount of shaft about itself rotation (90 degrees total clockwise shaft about itself rotation).
I wouldn't use the word only, as you did, because given the anatomy of the wrist there is limited capacity for additional clockwise shaft about itself rotation beyond the 90 degrees achieved with the twist away. This is due to the fact that a healthy individuanl can palmer flex up to about 90 degrees from neutral and dorsiflex up to about 90 degrees from neutral:
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Kevin Shields
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If they drag it and tilt late like he does its a power fade.
lia41985
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The standard 6 iron has a lie angle of 61 degrees. On a shot like this where there is one degree of variation between the face and path (with the face being a degree open to the path) and assuming a sweet spot hit, is there going to be one degree of "stand up" of the club at impact--that is to say, will the club be returned at a lie angle of 62 degrees? It would seem that dragging and tilting late would accommodate this "standing up" of the club while getting the path more left of the face.
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gmbtempe
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Can you describe "drag"?
If one swings further left doesn't that lesson the chances for "flipping" the club compared to a plane line out to the right (or even square), with a face that has been "twisted away"?
Thanks for your input.
Todd Dugan
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An on plane (0 degree face, 0 degree horizontal swing plane, shaft angle not steep or flat) take back will have the shaft twisting about itself 45 degree clockwise with no additional shaft about itself rotation. A twist away puts an additional 45 degree clockwise rotation of the shaft about itself that shifts the face and horizontal swing plane 45 degrees to the right--assuming the club stays on this horizontal swing plane with a face that is matched up for that horizontal swing plane (zeroed out for that particular horizontal swing plane) and a level strike (0 degree angle of attack) that ball will go 45 degrees to the right of the original target line. A twist towards puts a 45 degree counterclockwise rotation of the shaft about itself that shifts the horizontal swing plane and face 45 degrees to the left--assuming the club stays on this horizontal swing plane with a face that is matched up for that horizontal swing plane (zeroed out for that particular horizontal swing plane) and a level strike (0 degree angle of attack) that ball will go 45 degrees to the left of the original target line.
Twist away is a concept that encourages the golfer who is twisting toward (counter clockwise rotating the shaft about itself) to learn the proper amount of twist away (45 degrees clockwise shaft about itself rotation) by making an extra amount of shaft about itself rotation (90 degrees total clockwise shaft about itself rotation).
I wouldn't use the word only, as you did, because given the anatomy of the wrist there is limited capacity for additional clockwise shaft about itself rotation beyond the 90 degrees achieved with the twist away. This is due to the fact that a healthy individuanl can palmer flex up to about 90 degrees from neutral and dorsiflex up to about 90 degrees from neutral:
What you have stated is beyond erroneous.
Kevin Shields
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You can have a plane line out to the right and still work the handle quick left (maintaining the baseline right with the head). The baseline doesnt matter when it comes to flipping. A dozen things are more important factors. Duval has slightly out hand path and just dragged the handle into his left pocket all the way down with a late tilt. Really cant think of anyone who did it quite like him so I wouldnt include him in any model you are using.
lia41985
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I'd appreciate it if you could please take the time to explain why.
Brian Manzella
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Steve Greffen
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Brian,
Is all that line drawing really accurate with the camera angle not exactly ideal? If the camera was a slightly different angle would the spots line up similar?
Steve
Is all that line drawing really accurate with the camera angle not exactly ideal? If the camera was a slightly different angle would the spots line up similar?
Steve
lia41985
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Thanks for posting this. It doesn't look optimum but back in the day (1998-2001) he sure did a good job of matching all of these components to "get in the middle"! Here's something Lindsey wrote in an older thread:
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