I think Brian said the 2nd swing was Mike's normal swing with a Manzella Academy aprroved pattern. Finney ain't got no Flip.
Two Different Pivots with VIDEO - Manzella Academy Research Project X
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I think Brian said the 2nd swing was Mike's normal swing with a Manzella Academy aprroved pattern. Finney ain't got no Flip.
Brian...
Thanks for taking the time to do these videos with Mike...
One Suggestion...
Using a fairly level hip turn with a Stationary Head is NOT compatible(Which Michael is demonstrating here in the video)...So obviously...performance would not be as high...What keeps the head centered is NOT The Head...but the STYLE of Shoulder Motion, Hip Motion, and Leg Action...A Head more centered is the Result....NOT THE Modus Operandi
For Instance ...Right Knee Action, Level Hips, and a Flat Shoulder Turn which maintains Torso Pitch (Shoulder to Hips) are very compatible especially for player with more muscular advantage...This Pivot Style for some gives a greater range of motion for this build....whereas for others it decreases range of motion between other segments...
Rotated Shoulder Turn, Maximum Hip Slant, and Standard Leg action with a Flat Left foot reduces the Torso Pitch( Shoulder/Hips) which is in SOME cases for those who have long limbs and narrower more flexible builds
One thing that is important to note....Some people have greater range of motion is the transverse plane ( more level) and some have more range of motion in the lateral plane
When you have certain blends and sequences of these movements in the various planes or axis of rotation it produces different pivot styles...
Thanks for taking the time to do these videos with Mike...
One Suggestion...
Using a fairly level hip turn with a Stationary Head is NOT compatible(Which Michael is demonstrating here in the video)...So obviously...performance would not be as high...What keeps the head centered is NOT The Head...but the STYLE of Shoulder Motion, Hip Motion, and Leg Action...A Head more centered is the Result....NOT THE Modus Operandi
For Instance ...Right Knee Action, Level Hips, and a Flat Shoulder Turn which maintains Torso Pitch (Shoulder to Hips) are very compatible especially for player with more muscular advantage...This Pivot Style for some gives a greater range of motion for this build....whereas for others it decreases range of motion between other segments...
Rotated Shoulder Turn, Maximum Hip Slant, and Standard Leg action with a Flat Left foot reduces the Torso Pitch( Shoulder/Hips) which is in SOME cases for those who have long limbs and narrower more flexible builds
One thing that is important to note....Some people have greater range of motion is the transverse plane ( more level) and some have more range of motion in the lateral plane
When you have certain blends and sequences of these movements in the various planes or axis of rotation it produces different pivot styles...
Brian Manzella
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No Kidding.
Good post NAT, you are preaching to the choir.
The POINT of this video that me and Mike did months ago, and the mostly tongue-in-cheek post, is to show EXACTLY what you said, a FLAT hip turn--which is what you get with right anchor knee action--and a FLAT Shoulder Turn, IS NOT COMPATABLE WITH A STATIONARY HEAD THAT IS BETWEEN THE FEET!!!!!!!!
In other words, we were blowing up the "Tripod-ers."
You, Mr. NAT, did a good a job of doing this with your excellent post as we did by showing how GOOFY it looked.
Good post NAT, you are preaching to the choir.
The POINT of this video that me and Mike did months ago, and the mostly tongue-in-cheek post, is to show EXACTLY what you said, a FLAT hip turn--which is what you get with right anchor knee action--and a FLAT Shoulder Turn, IS NOT COMPATABLE WITH A STATIONARY HEAD THAT IS BETWEEN THE FEET!!!!!!!!
In other words, we were blowing up the "Tripod-ers."
You, Mr. NAT, did a good a job of doing this with your excellent post as we did by showing how GOOFY it looked.
Brian Manzella
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Like I was saying...
The "owners" only put in what Homer had in the notes.
But, if you ask "Why Homer changed the patterns?"
He changed the shoulder plane and the hip movement to make a stationary head work better.
Which ALSO PROVES MY POINT and NAT's Point:
Having a Flat Shoulder Turn and a Flat Hip Turn and a Staionary Head is not a good mix of components.
Which is why in my MANZELLA MATRIX Patterns, there is no such thing. I prefer some weight shift OFF THE LEFT LEG, and even with steeper shoulders, that will produce some head movement.
But NO "POINT BETWEEN THE SHOULDERS" MOVEMENT!
The "owners" only put in what Homer had in the notes.
But, if you ask "Why Homer changed the patterns?"
He changed the shoulder plane and the hip movement to make a stationary head work better.
Which ALSO PROVES MY POINT and NAT's Point:
Having a Flat Shoulder Turn and a Flat Hip Turn and a Staionary Head is not a good mix of components.
Which is why in my MANZELLA MATRIX Patterns, there is no such thing. I prefer some weight shift OFF THE LEFT LEG, and even with steeper shoulders, that will produce some head movement.
But NO "POINT BETWEEN THE SHOULDERS" MOVEMENT!
Jim Kobylinski
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you know, as much as this gets debated i think a completely stationary head is foolish for 1 main reason:
Your head is IN FRONT of your spine, not on top of it like a lollipop.
Your head is IN FRONT of your spine, not on top of it like a lollipop.
Brian Manzella
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The golf ball has no idea if your head is "quiet."
Now, if you can keep that "point between your shoulders" dead still.....ah.............
James Marshall (Hogan1953)
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If the Manzella matrix and MORAD models both encourage a pivot around a fixed point somewhere in the centre of the chest (or the back), the only difference in that point's location at the top of the backswing is where that fixed point was at address, correct? If you set up with more axis tilt right it's going to be further to the right.
EdStraker
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I think Brian does a good representation of this in the Do It Right video. He has a range ball bucket attached to a club shaft. If the clubshaft represents the spine, and the basket your head, your head is in front of the spine.
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