Unlearn riding a bike? (now with a Manzella blog post)

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Can you unlearn riding a bike? No matter how hard I try I don't think that I can ever "unlearn" this movement.

Brian -

Are you guys delving into any brain studies/ideas on learning? I wonder if we get hard wired for a swing early in life and fight it for the rest. Hard to "unlearn" riding a bike and probably the same with our first swing pattern. Not tat we can't, but it's hard. My swing looks very similar to my swing 20 years ago. All of the new info is great, I'm just trying to learn/process it quicker.
 
Why not better? I want that but it seems like our brain gets hard wired in the beginning with bad swing moves that are hard to change. Maybe that's the way God intended it so the game wouldn't be easy. Just a thought.
 
I feel ya. Too many years of open face on the way down and roll to impact for me. Like Kevin says, "you have to take away the reward".
 
Depends on whether you believe you can change or not.

Whether you think you can or you think you can't, you're right.

the mind is a powerful thing, "The Biology of Belief" is interesting reading if you're into that sort of stuff

But you don't have to take my word for it...
 
Hi guys,

I think you are really asking the wrong question here. It is not so much about whether you are able to unlearn something, as opposed to are you able to learn something new. I strike this situation in my bodywork clinic all the time with people when rehabbing different chronic issues. A lot of the time, in those situations there is an underlying movement pattern that is aggravating their issue. If I can get someone to put in a small amount of time to learn a new option of movement and apply it in their day to day life, there is often a dramatic change in their issue.

Attitude plays a big part in this adaptation, with the biggest hurdle being the recognition that there is always more than one way to go about doing something and the way you currently do something is not the most efficient or least stressful on your body. From this prospective there is the opportunity to playfully explore new ways of getting the job done. Some of those options will work better and others will not.

Lets take this idea away from golf for a minute and look at a baseball pitcher. Are we going to say that in order for them to learn how to throw a "fast ball" they first need to unlearn a "curve ball" as they are both full wind-up throws and you can only have one way of doing that. No, that would be a totally unreasonable proposition. Yet, when players are faced with learning a new release pattern in golf, this is exactly what they can start to say. I am sure if we asked Brian, he can still handle drag a 5 iron and hit a good shot and with the next ball use the free wheeling release and hit another good shot. He will probably prefer one over the other, but the point is he can do both.

There are no right or wrong ways of swinging a golf club, there are just options. Some of those options are used to learn a flop, pitch, chip, punch and so on, but what I have observed on the forums and at my club is a lot of golfers stop really wanting to learn options once they have achieved a certain level of competency. They talk about their way of swinging as too grooved to learn something completely new because they have been playing like that for the last 15 or 20 years. What really works for them though is a tweak here and a tweak there. This is a load of rubbish as integrating a tweak is the same process as an overhaul, it just lacks the magnitude of change. What they want is an excuse for not really trying something significant. Once you have learned a new swing, and not before the pattern has solidified, it then becomes an option when you are out on the course, hopefully lowering your overall score.

The research in neuroplasticity of recent years shows it is never too late to teach an old dog new tricks. Everyone has the capacity to learn new things at any age and it is more about focusing on, and overcoming the hard stuff in learning a new pattern while not opting for the old way because it is easier at the moment. Eventually the execution of the new pattern will be as consistent as the old one if you dedicate the time to learn it. And as a side benefit in this process you will decrease the deterioration in your brain function as you age. :)

Christopher
 
Good post. I still like my question because it seems like we get hard wired for a swing and have to change that wiring. It's not easy to change. Just trying to think about game improvement techniques and science. If Bill Murray ever gets that Brazilian-sensamillion turf in a course maybe that's the ticket?
 

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When I began trying to actually learn something about golf about two years ago I felt a lot like you do. I thought my swing was my swing and there was not much I could do to change it at all. That lasted about six months for me. During that time I sort of felt like I was learning a lot of stuff to help my kids and maybe junior golfers but not much for me. It took a while for me to get to the point where I felt things changing but it did change for sure.

The only advice I can give you about changing your swing is to understand that it is supposed to feel very different or else you are not changing anything. Walk down some stairs backwards. You can do it but it sure is not comfortable. Good luck. And you are in the right place.
 
Good post. I still like my question because it seems like we get hard wired for a swing and have to change that wiring.

You may like the question but it is still wrong. Neuroplasticty is all about your "hardwired" neurons, and nothing could be further from the truth. Try this case in point, you gorge yourself on your favorite food to the point of major illness. Once you have recovered you discover that even the slightest smell of the same food makes your stomach remind you of your urgent need to be elsewhere. This rewire process has taken less than 24hrs to go from a aroma that generates a sense of euphoria to revulsion. Not so hard wired, is it? The researchers have found that this remodeling of the neural networks can take place in as little as 2-3 mins and they are experimenting, successfully with brain training like in the Matrix film(although with very simple processes at the moment).

I could roll out example after example to illustrate the wrongness of the idea. The point I was making is that the quicker you can let go of the idea of rewiring the easier it is to move onto creating a new neural network for the new swing you focus to create. You get to have both swings in the end.

Let me also ask you this, how long would it take for you to learn a new phone number if you had to? Does it get harder to learn a new phone number if you have already committed 5 others to memory? I would hazard a guess that it doesn't, so therefore the idea that it isn't easy to change is really, it is only as hard as I want to make it for myself.

Sorry if this comes across a little blunt, but the more often people read and hear these types of statements the more of a false reality it becomes.

Christopher
 
I taught a guy today who made contact about 1 out of every 2/3 swings. He was hitting a CHIP SHOT!!! But he rode his bike to the lesson.
 
Treat him like anyone else and work your ass off to get him to hit the ball! Very little success, but he appreciated my effort I believe.
 
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