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One other thing, when you set up to swing you have decision to make. You're not reacting, you're creating. You can decide how you are going to do it. I know adrenaline is there and that may prevent you from doing it perfect, but each successive attempt to do it right will build and eventually the changes will take place.

Ego, self worth and the local results page in the paper have stalled so much progress.
 

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One other thing, when you set up to swing you have decision to make. You're not reacting, you're creating. You can decide how you are going to do it. I know adrenaline is there and that may prevent you from doing it perfect, but each successive attempt to do it right will build and eventually the changes will take place.

Ego, self worth and the local results page in the paper have stalled so much progress.

Local results page indeed!
 
Yet we wonder why Tour players have an arrogant, edge to them. It's self preservation.

If, deep down, you crave the adulation and respect of others than you are doubly susceptible to their criticism. So most of them put up a firewall.
 
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Arrogance and listening to others is a difficult combination. Especially if you are talented.

If I hadn't listened to the wrong people and had listened to the right ones my world may be different one.;) Therein lies the dilemma of the talented sportsman.
 
You refer to self-fulfilling prophecies birls. No disagreement from me on that.

But Faldo never really played under pressure with his new swing. He was no doubt a master of self control (on the golf course anyway;)). How he would have reacted to true pressure is another question.

Real pressure is playing the last 4 holes with OB left and trees right for your tour card when your bank balance is low and you can't stand the thought of working in Tesco for another year.

Thats daft, Faldo playing in the final group of a major is "real" pressure, playing the 1995 Ryder cup singles match with the whole match riding on his shoulders is "real" pressure. A lot of pressure from others, from the media and from an entire continent.
 
I disagree aaron. When you're a multimillionaire trying to win a major, its a win win situation. Pressure is when failure has consequences that change your life at the most basic level.
 
You refer to self-fulfilling prophecies birls. No disagreement from me on that.

But Faldo never really played under pressure with his new swing. He was no doubt a master of self control (on the golf course anyway;)). How he would have reacted to true pressure is another question.

Real pressure is playing the last 4 holes with OB left and trees right for your tour card when your bank balance is low and you can't stand the thought of working in Tesco for another year.
On the other hand, I hear Tesco does a very nice share option incentive scheme, so that should sweep a few beads of sweat off the old noggin' when the ball starts going sideways!
It's a very difficult topic because how and why people feel pressure is very individualised, and often happens with no reference to past exploits or any subjective psychological analysis one may have put in place about oneself. Some people feel pressure in conditions they usually excel in, and vice versa. Small subconscious elements from one's past can rear up out of the blue. An innate fear for something, exacerbated by an element within a given situation, may throw one off the deep end and one is left wondering why
I always like to draw the analogy with sexual attraction. Everybody has an ideal of someone they're attracted to: height. weight, hair and eye colour, etc, but how many times have you met the person who checks all the boxes and yet, mysteriously, leaves you cold; conversely, how many times have you been attracted to someone who shouldn't, but does, make you passionate?
Fight or flight is interesting, but very few, if any of us, are all one, or all the other, so it's a case of dovetailing what you are into a situation you're comfortable with. ekennedy made the excellent point that some tour pros are brilliantly comfortable at everything until Sunday afternoon; fascinating, and probably true. Is it irreducible from there? Probably not. Again it's a function of our brain, and complexity abounds.
Anecdotal stuff will serve us so-so in the interim, and the more prescient a person is, the more he will derive from understanding pressure re. himself. It's up to each of us to plough our own furrow.
 
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I disagree aaron. When you're a multimillionaire trying to win a major, its a win win situation. Pressure is when failure has consequences that change your life at the most basic level.
Survival is our basic instinct, but status within our society is, while not being as fundamental as survival, a very strong dynamic for humans. Our status changes as we grow up into adulthood, obviously, and also changes within adulthood as we succeed, or not, in our chosen profession. Therefore, it could be argued that Faldo's drive to cement his status was just as raw and as fundamental as his desire not to have to clean up on aisle 3 at Tesco.
Just a thought...
 
I don't think it's fair to compare the roadside trauma scenario for a couple reasons.


You can take a fairly inordinate amount of time to execute your golf shot. You can rehearse it, make trial runs, step in, back out, until you feel so committed to doing what you want to that you have forgotten anything else. I would think a lack of commitment to the new swing is more at fault than the deep rooted hard-wired swing. If you aren't willing to commit to the moves you intend to make then anything can happen before your own eyes with very mixed results.

mental choices are there but if you don't pick one of the first two you default to the 3rd option IMO

1. commit to the old move and it's results.

2. commit to the new swing and make a conscious effort to trust it, results be damned for now, the trust will be buillt...

3. trance mode, anything can happen, good or bad.
 
If I step into a shot and allow my mind to go blank, really let go and get into the sub conscience then I will...........I will........do nothing.
 
Interestingly, if I don't think about the shot I am going to hit in a lesson or a video, I pull it off FLAWLESSLY.

That's just it. You're hitting a shot not working on a mechanical change. I believe that's part of Bubba Watson's genius. Even though I don't love his move aesthetically, he let's the shot create the swing instead of the other way around.
 
Me too. I don't want conscious thought, just reaction. Conscious thoughts still happens for me, but the zone isn't about conscious thought.
 
Arrogance and listening to others is a difficult combination. Especially if you are talented.

If I hadn't listened to the wrong people and had listened to the right ones my world may be different one.;) Therein lies the dilemma of the talented sportsman.

i'd love to hear that story sometime. seems like it could be valuable for others in a similar situation.
 
Might be interesting to ask everyone which shot, situation or externality is so unsettling that it's hard to put yourself in the right frame of mind to hit any good shot, ever. I'm sure all the forum members have their own special favourite...I know I do.
 

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Might be interesting to ask everyone which shot, situation or externality is so unsettling that it's hard to put yourself in the right frame of mind to hit any good shot, ever. I'm sure all the forum members have their own special favourite...I know I do.

I almost always play the first hole or few holes of any new course scared out of my mind. Don't really know why but I have a really tough time settling into the round on a new course. Kevin really helped me with that by having me play by the numbers but the feeling is still there. I suppose part of it is not traveling enough. especially to New orleans.
 
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