Video: Brian Manzella meets Peter Croker

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Brian Manzella

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Peter Croker was in Louisville last week and wanted to meet me and talk golf.

This is video of that meeting. Hope you enjoy!

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Brian Manzella

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Just hit the triangle...

Best to just hit PLAY on the player (the lower left triangle) that comes up in the post.

If you save the .flv file, you'll need a separtate player like the "Wimpy Player."

I am uploading the Quicktime file as I post, but it is such a large file, it won't be up until tonight.
 
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Great video....thanks guys....

You made a lot of points very very well.....very very clear.....and pretty obvious, if you ask me.

Too many things to mention really.
 
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Martee

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An interesting video. Worth several watches IMO as there are not only some good information on golf instruction but also some good points on the golf stroke itself.

The concept of definition of 20 things comes across as much of these are preferrences. Which is not in conflict with TGM but may not track with chpt12. Obviously Peter and You have some different words to describe the pivot as well as how it might work. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

The idea of a closed book test with 20 or so questions on KEY TGM elements (a mixture of concepts, components, essentials, imperatives, etc.) has real value IMO. The only problem is that there are many who may not recognize the correct answer if it doesn't have the percise words.

This is one worth downloading to view again, not tonight, twice in one day is more than enough for me. It was long.

But in the end Brian came down to earth with an appreciation for it...:) Cute training aid..
 
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I thought that they were going to play TWISTER!!!!


Martee said:
An interesting video. Worth several watches IMO as there are not only some good information on golf instruction but also some good points on the golf stroke itself.

The concept of definition of 20 things comes across as much of these are preferrences. Which is not in conflict with TGM but may not track with chpt12. Obviously Peter and You have some different words to describe the pivot as well as how it might work. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

The idea of a closed book test with 20 or so questions on KEY TGM elements (a mixture of concepts, components, essentials, imperatives, etc.) has real value IMO. The only problem is that there are many who may not recognize the correct answer if it doesn't have the percise words.

This is one worth downloading to view again, not tonight, twice in one day is more than enough for me. It was long.

But in the end Brian came down to earth with an appreciation for it...:) Cute training aid..
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Pivot definition

Great to hear you two chatting. You cover alot of material but it got really interesting when you talked pivot.

The way I saw and heard what each of you said about pivot was that you were both describing different zone 1 motions. They both had the same desired endpoint = body moves powerpackage and maintains lag pressure.

That is my definition of pivot = "everything that body ( zone 1) does in order to maintain lag pressure."

You can't get anymore specific than that - you two described differing pivot motions and obviously have added different components to each swing in order to make each successful.

This is what Brian was stating - use TGM to explain why everyone who has some success teaching has their success - because they are use compatible components.

Brian likes secondary axis tilt / Croker seems to like it less. Both are pivot components - both can be right if you stick the correct components to that pivot.

Good stuff - you got to admit that Croker is a good talker, Brian! Like you - he can communicate!!
 
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Interesting, I have to admit I am not sold on Peter's takeaway, seems like alot of thinking. I will try the hands pressure points for the takeaway and see how it feels, I think the MANZELLA pivot is simpler with less thinking. I really don't think these two ideologies if that is the correct word can work together, I think they are both fine just different. For me I have much less hip turn in the backswing, good or bad I am not sure I try an eliminate moving parts not add to them. TIM
 
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swingeasttowest said:
I thought that they were going to play TWISTER!!!!
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Me too :), all the white noise in the background. My wife couldn't stand it, and she's in the next room! Does Brian sell eardrum insurance?
 
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Brian Manzella

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Give me a break, huh?

I am pretty good at all of this video on the internet stuff, BUT....

This little chat with Peter was NOT a planned thing, so I did my best.

I do think it is a OK little program, though.

What do you think?
 
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Spike

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Brian Manzella said:
I am pretty good at all of this video on the internet stuff, BUT....

This little chat with Peter was NOT a planned thing, so I did my best.

I do think it is a OK little program, though.

What do you think?
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The video was a breath of fresh air. Two gentlemen discussing their trade. Respectful and polite as it should be. I liked that part as much as the information. Too often we forget what it is that we truly represent.

I really enjoyed what I saw but just when things were starting up the video shut down on me. I tried save as but Flash Player is having trouble with WXP. Just wondering how the Quicktime version is coming along.

Thanks Brian,
spike

p.s. Don't misundertake me....I love a little attitude, too.
 
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Quicktime

Brian Manzella said:
Best to just hit PLAY on the player (the lower left triangle) that comes up in the post.

If you save the .flv file, you'll need a separtate player like the "Wimpy Player."

I am uploading the Quicktime file as I post, but it is such a large file, it won't be up until tonight.
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Will you still be posting a Quicktime version...would love to save this conversation...it's a keeper....the beauty of it is that it was unrehearsed and on the fly..thanks Brian for sharing this with us...you did a great job.
 
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The wmv files format for Windows Media Player.

hg said:
Will you still be posting a Quicktime version...would love to save this conversation...it's a keeper....the beauty of it is that it was unrehearsed and on the fly..thanks Brian for sharing this with us...you did a great job.
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I found the wmv files format for Windows Media Player have been availabled on Peter's website.

If interested, the videos can be found at :

http://www.crokergolfsystem.com/ipsforum/index.php?showtopic=194&st=0&#entry865

Enjoy.
 
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Brian Manzella said:
I am pretty good at all of this video on the internet stuff, BUT....

This little chat with Peter was NOT a planned thing, so I did my best.

I do think it is a OK little program, though.

What do you think?
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The "chat" has just been available as my new system became operational this week. Thanks to Peter Croker for the pivot discussion and to Brian for the "air time" when apparently there are some Differences (?). Because I feel "rebalancing" is the most difficult for the less skilled, hopefully there will be future comments about Peter's apparent preference to (a) preset the spine tilt, (b) retain this tilt at the top and (c) eliminate the weight shift to the right in the move back. His former associate Martin Green is an advocate of not shifting the weight in the backstroke and retaining the address spine tilt angle but his instruction does not involve the multiple pivot points . Maybe there is a relationship to the Shiftless hip turn that can be explained for those desiring a connection to TGM.

Also, I am interested in hearing more about "shoulder rock" and how this can help or detract from a player's consistency. In the "Open" telecast it appeared that both Mickelson and Weir had a pronounced "rock" of the shoulders at address resulting in a high, exaggerated front shoulder position.

DRW
 
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Why preference of "multiple centers" with hip action

Why preference of "multiple centers" with hip action

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Originally Posted by DOCW3
The "chat" has just been available as my new system became operational this week. Thanks to Peter Croker for the pivot discussion and to Brian for the "air time" when apparently there are some Differences (?). Because I feel "rebalancing" is the most difficult for the less skilled, hopefully there will be future comments about Peter's apparent preference to (a) preset the spine tilt, ( retain this tilt at the top and © eliminate the weight shift to the right in the move back.
Maybe there is a relationship to the Shiftless hip turn that can be explained for those desiring a connection to TGM.

Also, I am interested in hearing more about "shoulder rock" and how this can help or detract from a player's consistency. In the "Open" telecast it appeared that both Mickelson and Weir had a pronounced "rock" of the shoulders at address resulting in a high, exaggerated front shoulder position.

DRW


Dear DOC,

The shiftless hip turn is for putting and some special shots close in.

In regard to the "shoulder rock" in the CGS there is a slight compression of the back shoulder towards the hip that lowers the back shoulder slightly at address. A slight stretching up of the shoulder on the front side raises the lead shoulder slightly. This shoulder set along with the slight tilt of the spine allows for the back arm to be bent from the elbow and closer to the side. This will lead to an easy folding of the back arm and a more compact backswing. This helps build consistency of contact.

With the full swing, the "multiple centers" in hip rotation allow for no back hip interference in the downswing plus removes the strain on the lower back to a large degree.

While here in Slovakia during this last week, I had the pleasant encounter with Skip Mallock from the Hilton Head Junior Golf Academy.
Skip mentioned how he had back problems caused from golf over the years. His student, a European LPGA Tour Player mentioned a similar problem, although she was only in her early 20's.

We had a great time discussing how to take stress off the back.

I put both Skip and his European LPGA student on the swivel discs and it was amazing!

Skip remarked that for the first time he felt no back strain as he went through the steps in building a body pivot with CGS alignments.

I suggest that all test out the pre-set spine tilt and how it allows for both hip and shoulder rotation to blend together while minimising the stress on the back.

The hips are at the center of the golf swing and maximum power comes from maximum use of centrifugal force and this means active hip action.

Demanding that the motion in this area of "hip turn" be kept simple does not mean omission of what is necessary to assist the power of the arms and hands being delivered on the correct downswing path. The hip action is key here.

The swivel discs are a "must have" for all serious teachers (and students) in my opinion.

It was great to share this experience with Brian Manzella. I am sure he has been practicing and I will test him on our next get together - perhaps downunder?

I really appreciated his open and enthusiastic approach to golf learning and I look forward to many more discussions on "golf swing mechanics" that will facilitate the "Imperatives" as defined in Homer Kelley's "The Golfing Machine."

Kind Regards,
Peter
 
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