Deadly_Scope
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Regarding practice....
Hitting balls is very under rated.
Hitting balls is very under rated.
What a "real" golf Lesson is—and isn't —by Brian Manzella
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jenhaoyen
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that is very true.
I still hit alot of balls...and everyday i discover something new.
It's kinda like listening to Jimmi Hendrix or Stevie Ray Vaughn. Everytime you listen to them...it feels different, you discover something new everytime. I love this game!
cmartingolf
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Great Banter Boys!
Although I'm not an AI, I've studied the book a ton. The pages are tattered and I've enjoyed the journey. I thought about becoming an AI and I didn't like the "contract."
I came to the book after spending a bunch of time working for George Knudson. He was arguably one of the best strikers of all time. George passed in 1988. He was a GREAT guy who loved the game and loved to share his opinions.
He didn't really like teaching adults as he thought they were pretty much broken and incapable of really getting better. He loved to teach kids. I'm thinking this is because they had "built in lag" and couldn't really add to much.
George has a book and video floating around out there and it should be in any serious teacher/players library. It's called the Natural Swing Motion. My autographed copy is within eyesight of the couch I'm sitting on.
George taught a "connect the dots" style. He believed in connecting an address position to a finish position. He taught a neutral grip and transfer of weight and a he was a big stickler for never doing anything in the expense of balance. He didn't say much about anything that happened during the swing. He felt like a lot of things just "happened."
I worked for him at a range in Toronto and used his model a lot as a young pro. It wasn't until I hit one really goofy shot down the wire in a PGA Winter series event in 1993 that made me need to know why I hit that shot the way I did.
I thought the book (TGM) was overblown huey. Way to complicated and golf was much easier than what the book displayed. Well, I went to a TGM instructor (Mark Evershed) and I learned about "The guts" of a good swing. A nice motion without the guts (BM said something similar in Flipper) is a waste of time.
I think I know what BM is talking about. It's not about doing in one way, like TGM's suggested curriculum and it's not as passive as Knudson's Natural Swing Motion. It's somewhere in between and good teachers can see a weak spot and get to it.
Sometimes I'll teach folks ala Knudson or along TGM. Generally, the TGM is after I'm convince folks a sense of timing but need some guts. Knudson was great at giving people a sense of timing and balance but didn't really teach the guts. It's tough to hit a half wedge shot if you don't know how to move the club!!
I'd love to see all golfers compress whitey and take divots on the target side of the ball, but it is as close as the hydrogen car.
I've been at this teaching game for 23 years now and I still think I'm learning every day. I have learned a TON from BM and the other teachers on this site. I've enjoyed the exchanges. I get a kick out of the latest packaged teaching methods and the guys that jump on the band wagon.
Battery is dying! Gotta go!
Although I'm not an AI, I've studied the book a ton. The pages are tattered and I've enjoyed the journey. I thought about becoming an AI and I didn't like the "contract."
I came to the book after spending a bunch of time working for George Knudson. He was arguably one of the best strikers of all time. George passed in 1988. He was a GREAT guy who loved the game and loved to share his opinions.
He didn't really like teaching adults as he thought they were pretty much broken and incapable of really getting better. He loved to teach kids. I'm thinking this is because they had "built in lag" and couldn't really add to much.
George has a book and video floating around out there and it should be in any serious teacher/players library. It's called the Natural Swing Motion. My autographed copy is within eyesight of the couch I'm sitting on.
George taught a "connect the dots" style. He believed in connecting an address position to a finish position. He taught a neutral grip and transfer of weight and a he was a big stickler for never doing anything in the expense of balance. He didn't say much about anything that happened during the swing. He felt like a lot of things just "happened."
I worked for him at a range in Toronto and used his model a lot as a young pro. It wasn't until I hit one really goofy shot down the wire in a PGA Winter series event in 1993 that made me need to know why I hit that shot the way I did.
I thought the book (TGM) was overblown huey. Way to complicated and golf was much easier than what the book displayed. Well, I went to a TGM instructor (Mark Evershed) and I learned about "The guts" of a good swing. A nice motion without the guts (BM said something similar in Flipper) is a waste of time.
I think I know what BM is talking about. It's not about doing in one way, like TGM's suggested curriculum and it's not as passive as Knudson's Natural Swing Motion. It's somewhere in between and good teachers can see a weak spot and get to it.
Sometimes I'll teach folks ala Knudson or along TGM. Generally, the TGM is after I'm convince folks a sense of timing but need some guts. Knudson was great at giving people a sense of timing and balance but didn't really teach the guts. It's tough to hit a half wedge shot if you don't know how to move the club!!
I'd love to see all golfers compress whitey and take divots on the target side of the ball, but it is as close as the hydrogen car.
I've been at this teaching game for 23 years now and I still think I'm learning every day. I have learned a TON from BM and the other teachers on this site. I've enjoyed the exchanges. I get a kick out of the latest packaged teaching methods and the guys that jump on the band wagon.
Battery is dying! Gotta go!
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The greatest gift that Homer Kelley left for future generations was the TGM language.
You can hit a golf ball many ways and computers are changing our thoughts about the entire world including golf. When we say, "flat, level and vertical", we know exactly what that looks like. Teacher to teacher, teacher to student or student to student. It's a beautiful thing.
You can hit a golf ball many ways and computers are changing our thoughts about the entire world including golf. When we say, "flat, level and vertical", we know exactly what that looks like. Teacher to teacher, teacher to student or student to student. It's a beautiful thing.
Deadly_Scope
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Unfortunately I do not agree.
The language of the golfing machine is not complete to discuss any semi-complex subject outwith the book and alot of the terminology assumes the correctness of the concepts contained within it. There have been too many times where I have had to invent terminology because the golfing machine doesn't have a language capable of covering the topic in question and often even when I do use the language of the golfing machine to describe something complex which is a derivative of things in the book, even alot of authorised instructors are still not able to keep up and so I find myself trying to use precision wording but still allowing anyone to spend some time with the dictionary to understand my posts if it is of interest to them. If it was that wonderful, I wouldn't have to do that.
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rogerdodger
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Unfortunately we do not take unlimited lessons. We show up and expect miracles in an hour. The dvd's offered here provide those miracles, I have seen them in my game. I could become really good, if all I did was basic motion for a month, no playing, acquired motion for a month, no playing, and then full motion for a month, no playing. I won't do it, we get five months of golf in Minnesota, and as much as I want to get better, I do not have the mindset to do that. I doubt I am alone. This site recognizes the realities of the amateur game, results that you can see immediately.
Jim Kobylinski
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Could be the best testimonial of this site i've ever seen even though i don't think rogerdodger meant it to be one.
Hall of fame post!
Kevin Shields
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rodgerdodger...that is basically what i was trying to say. I agree with you.
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