what a week....

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we talked to some smart people and learned a TON....we're still very much in the "soaking it all in" stage.....i honestly feel i have learned more about the golf swing in the last 7 days than i have in the past 7 years...

it's going to come out - not in a mac o'grady sense.......it's going to come out - no winners or losers, just informed people
 

Brian Manzella

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Lucky.

We have been incredibly lucky during the last week or so.

So many smart scientists, so willing to share.

We are learning at an exponential rate, and we are making headway on Project 1.68.

We also are in a phase where we have decided not to talk about the findings. It will all come out. We promise.
 
Why has it taken so long to get to this point in golf instruction? Why have the scientist kept the truth secret for so long or is it that no one has ever asked the correct questions? It seems like as instructors we have traveled the globe trying to find some nugget of information that would make us better and rich(er) only to come away with disappointment. Now we find out the answers were always there but only when scientist sat down with golf instructors did the truth start to appear.....this is hard to beleive but then again I can't wait to find out the answers I have always searched for.
 
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SteveT

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@ BrianM and all Manzella Academy instructors ... a little knowledge can be dangerous if you don't fully appreciate the fundamentals of the science.

For example, when I can't puzzle out the D-plane, I go back to Jorgensen's Physics of Golf to start back from the basic fundamentals. Hate to carry the thing with me on the golf course .... :D
 
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Why has it taken so long to get to this point in golf instruction? Why have the scientist kept the truth secret for so long or is it that no one has ever asked the correct questions? It seems like as instructors we have traveled the globe trying to find some nugget of information that would make us better and rich(er) only to come away with disappointment. Now we find out the answers were always there but only when scientist sat down with golf instructors did the truth start to appear.....this is hard to beleive but then again I can't wait to find out the answers I have always searched for.


good point bax.........why has it taken so long??

maybe because the 20th......7th.....13th...............was holding them back............maybe a comfort zone..maybe money. In actuality to answer my own question it doesn't matter...its going to happen....whats the saying....." better late ....... yep you have it.

I will say that when it does come out I hope it s everything the "authors" want.

I am confident it will be special. I also would like to add Finney said "i have learned a ton." last 7 days can you imagine what a MONTH will bring?? and on and on and on.

Like kids at holiday time ...we eagerly await answers..One thing (of many) special about Brian is when most

people say WHY? Brian says WHY NOT???!!!.........for that reason alone....golf as we now know it

will always be the beginning.....but now the "end" is NO where in sight.....we keep learning...


aj
 
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Leon,

We did get to talk to Alan and he was extremely nice and very helpful....we actually had an interesting conversation about the state of dispensing the information....it was refreshing to hear this kind of talk from a person in his position...he was our third source on a lot of controversial impact topics.....nice to know that the guys in his position to know actually agree...

I dropped your name and that seemed to be the key.....:)

We'll keep you informed along the way....thanks for your help!
 
Why has there been a lack of scientific research findings on the golf swing?
1. Most teaching pros think that they know it all already. I'll bet that not 10% of PGA Members who teach could pass a 100 question test on the basics of the bio-mechanics of the golf swing and physics of the impact collision, prepared from such must-read classics as "Search For The Perfect Swing" and "The Physics of Golf".
2. The PGA of America would rather spend its money on "grow the game" initiatives, that don't work, than something worthwhile, like research funding, which could, in the end, make the members better teachers, which actually would grow the game, by helping people to play better, not worse.
3. The OEM's are in the business of selling clubs. In this competitive environment, R&D is usually top secret.
4. Scientists do research. That's what they do. When studies have been done on the golf swing, often it is just for the sake of research. They are not interested in profiting or ramming their findings down some arrogant know-it-all teaching pro's throat. But thankfully, they will share.

We are long overdue for a new book with updated research findings on the golf swing and impact collision. Project 1.68 sounds hopeful.
 

Gerv

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Todd-
Are you a PGA Golf Professional? I'm just wondering because you seem to lump all PGA Golf Professionals into a category that basically states that we (all PGA Professionals) are being spoon feed by the PGA of America. I have worked hard on growing my knowledge of the golf swing on my own. I never expected the PGA of America to do it for me. The "Grow The Game Initiatives" are not the problem. Your blanket statement that the state of the industry is do to the lack of D-Plane knowledge is felonious at best.

Eric
 
Todd-
Are you a PGA Golf Professional? I'm just wondering because you seem to lump all PGA Golf Professionals into a category that basically states that we (all PGA Professionals) are being spoon feed by the PGA of America. I have worked hard on growing my knowledge of the golf swing on my own. I never expected the PGA of America to do it for me. The "Grow The Game Initiatives" are not the problem. Your blanket statement that the state of the industry is do to the lack of D-Plane knowledge is felonious at best.

Eric

I am a PGA Member. You have put words into my mouth. But I will stand by my assessment that PGA Members, in general, are not as educated as they should be on the science of the golf swing and the PGA of America has not done enough in this area. The "Grow the Game" initiatives have not worked. The numbers don't lie. And one of the top reasons that folks give for leaving the game is that it is too hard and frustrating. Poor instruction has not helped in this regard.
 

ggsjpc

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There's no question that the PGA of America does not have improving the education of its membership near the top of their list with regards to teaching. Like you said Gerv, it is up to each professional to do their own education.

Wouldn't it be better to allow professionals to specialize during the apprentice program? Instead we all learn about golf cars and food and beverage. Even after membership, we are allowed to advance ourselves in the certification.

Sadly, we have to answer the corrections incorrectly to advance.
 
IMO, its definitely a similar situation in the UK, and in Germany also. Can't really comment on the other european countries, but is suspect it no better.
 

leon

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I dropped your name and that seemed to be the key.....:)

I doubt that! But if I have helped you guys in any way then I'm happy.

Why has there been a lack of scientific research findings on the golf swing?
1. Most teaching pros think that they know it all already. I'll bet that not 10% of PGA Members who teach could pass a 100 question test on the basics of the bio-mechanics of the golf swing and physics of the impact collision, prepared from such must-read classics as "Search For The Perfect Swing" and "The Physics of Golf".
2. The PGA of America would rather spend its money on "grow the game" initiatives, that don't work, than something worthwhile, like research funding, which could, in the end, make the members better teachers, which actually would grow the game, by helping people to play better, not worse.
3. The OEM's are in the business of selling clubs. In this competitive environment, R&D is usually top secret.
4. Scientists do research. That's what they do. When studies have been done on the golf swing, often it is just for the sake of research. They are not interested in profiting or ramming their findings down some arrogant know-it-all teaching pro's throat. But thankfully, they will share.

We are long overdue for a new book with updated research findings on the golf swing and impact collision. Project 1.68 sounds hopeful.

From my own experience I'd definitely agree with 3 & 4. Equipment manufacturers aren't in the business of giving away their own Intellectaul Property. A lot of academic research is funded commerically, so similar rules apply. And stuff that is 'pure' research and is publishable is usually goes places like engineering journals and so wouldn't reach the golfing audience.

I'd also guess that until Brain got interested there was pretty much a disconnect between golf 'science' and golf teaching.
 
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