What do people think of Dr. Michael Austin
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mgjordan
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Look on the left side of the screen for some sample clips. Both Austin and Dunaway hit balls in the clips.
Look on the left side of the screen for some sample clips. Both Austin and Dunaway hit balls in the clips.
Flat left wrist is an imperative irregardless of grip. The wrist can be in one of only three conditions - bent, flat, or arched. These three conditions are in reference to the angle between back of the hand and the top of the forearm. The imperative would be better stated as "Not bent left wrist". The arched condition is great insurance for being "not bent".
As for Austin, if he does bend the left wrist, no matter his grip choice, it had better be after separation.
As for Austin, if he does bend the left wrist, no matter his grip choice, it had better be after separation.
mgjordan
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"I'm saying that your left wrist is cupped at address.It's a natural position."
I never said it wasn't.
"If you're going to flatten or arch your left wrist through impact you need a neutral to weak left hand grip to prevent the clubface turning over too much."
That's what you aren't getting. The left wrist being flat or arched has NOTHING to do with the clubface "turning over". Flat/arched is a seperate issue from turned/rolled. Flat DOESN'T mean that the left wrist is looking at the target, it means that the back of the left hand and the left forarm are "flat" or form a straight line. I could have the strongest grip on earth and still have a flat left wrist and a square face. I could have the weakest grip on earth and have the left wrist pointed at the target and still have a cup in it.
Proof:
Hold your left hand out in front of you and get your wrist into a flat condition. Now simply turn and roll the forarm. You can keep the wrist flat no matter how "strong" or "weak" you turn your arm too. A flat left wrist is an imperative. It should be evident that not every good player has a weak or neutral grip. Look at Couples, Daly, and Azinger just to name three. They hit the ball with a flat left even though the grip is strong.
I never said it wasn't.
"If you're going to flatten or arch your left wrist through impact you need a neutral to weak left hand grip to prevent the clubface turning over too much."
That's what you aren't getting. The left wrist being flat or arched has NOTHING to do with the clubface "turning over". Flat/arched is a seperate issue from turned/rolled. Flat DOESN'T mean that the left wrist is looking at the target, it means that the back of the left hand and the left forarm are "flat" or form a straight line. I could have the strongest grip on earth and still have a flat left wrist and a square face. I could have the weakest grip on earth and have the left wrist pointed at the target and still have a cup in it.
Proof:
Hold your left hand out in front of you and get your wrist into a flat condition. Now simply turn and roll the forarm. You can keep the wrist flat no matter how "strong" or "weak" you turn your arm too. A flat left wrist is an imperative. It should be evident that not every good player has a weak or neutral grip. Look at Couples, Daly, and Azinger just to name three. They hit the ball with a flat left even though the grip is strong.
I don't think you understand what i'm trying to say.Maybe i'm a bad communicator.
You need to hold a club in your hand to see what i'm saying.Swing the club to the top with a cupped wrist.Look in the mirror and notice the clubface in relation to your forearm.Now flatten your left wrist gradually and see what happens to the clubface.It closes and points more to the sky.
Flattening the left wrist from a cupped position closes the clubface.Rolling the forearms also closes the clubface.
ej20,
"Flattening the left wrist from a cupped position closes the clubface..."
This is untrue.
Yes, it's possible to close the clubface as you flatten the left wrist, but this would be an incorrect motion. To do it correctly, by flattening or arching the left wrist, the clubface actually opens slightly, not closes. I used to believe that it closes the clubface, but later learned that this was incorrect.
"Flattening the left wrist from a cupped position closes the clubface..."
This is untrue.
Yes, it's possible to close the clubface as you flatten the left wrist, but this would be an incorrect motion. To do it correctly, by flattening or arching the left wrist, the clubface actually opens slightly, not closes. I used to believe that it closes the clubface, but later learned that this was incorrect.
mgjordan
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EJ,
Flattening the left wrist delofts the clubface. It won't close it. The only way to close it by flattening the left wrist is if you rotate the forarm at the same time. If anything, the clubface will OPEN as it gets flat/arched. As Homer Kelley says, an arched left wrist will give you a PUSH tendancy. Push = open.
Flattening the left wrist delofts the clubface. It won't close it. The only way to close it by flattening the left wrist is if you rotate the forarm at the same time. If anything, the clubface will OPEN as it gets flat/arched. As Homer Kelley says, an arched left wrist will give you a PUSH tendancy. Push = open.
cherrybarry
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It's not a matter of left wrist flatness or bend.
In a strong grip, the left wrist is more un-cocked (not level, but reverse of "cocked") than bent.
The type of flattening previously mentioned that supposedly closes the face is not really a flattening action, but a roll (towards the target) that was confused with a flattening action.
Make sure you aren't confusing flattening the left wrist with "de-uncocking" the left wrist.
Strong grip has more to do with orientation of the left forearm in regards to rotation (rolled more away from the target) and the uncocking position of left wrist than the bending of the left wrist.
In a strong grip, the left wrist is more un-cocked (not level, but reverse of "cocked") than bent.
The type of flattening previously mentioned that supposedly closes the face is not really a flattening action, but a roll (towards the target) that was confused with a flattening action.
For me, my left wrist is flat at address regardless of how strong/weak it is. However, my left wrist is more un-cocked in a strong grip. By "pushing the hands forward", the left wrist reduces the "un-cock" and returns to a more "level" position. Pushing the hands forward does not create a flat left wrist and square clubface, but creates a "level" wrist position and a square clubface (provided only one direction of change is involved - that is, left arm doesn't change its rotation as the hands are pushed forward).
Make sure you aren't confusing flattening the left wrist with "de-uncocking" the left wrist.
Strong grip has more to do with orientation of the left forearm in regards to rotation (rolled more away from the target) and the uncocking position of left wrist than the bending of the left wrist.
Try this excercise..take your normal address position and I'm assuming your wrist is cupped like every good golfer.I don't think i've seen one tour pro have a flat wrist at address.
Now without moving your hand(neither forward,backward or upward)flatten your left wrist.Now tell me what has happened to the clubface.
It's only possible to keep the clubface square(or in fact,actually open a bit)by pushing the hands well forward.
How many golfers,even tour pros can get their hands that far forward at impact?
If your hand position return to their address position at impact,you will close the clubface.
Am i missing something here?
If as stated the 'Flat, Arched, Bent' are Horizontial wrists conditions and 'Level Cocked and Uncocked' are Perpendicular wrists conditions and 'Vertical, Turned, Rolled' are Rotational wrists conditions then how does the placement of the hands on the golf club grip (Weak, Neutral, Strong') reduce or increase the effect these three positions?
Actually I believe HK described Strong and Weak with regard to PP2 and/or PP3 position at impact and being on plane or off plane.'
Based on the grip type will have more influence on hand positions, clubface alignment, but should not preclude the imperatives or the recommended variations for the wrists.
Actually I believe HK described Strong and Weak with regard to PP2 and/or PP3 position at impact and being on plane or off plane.'
Based on the grip type will have more influence on hand positions, clubface alignment, but should not preclude the imperatives or the recommended variations for the wrists.
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