What do you do for stretches?

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In Baseball we did a similar test...We held are right arm out at a 90..think making a left hand turn when riding a motorcycle. Then we had to externally rotate it backwards. I always had good external/internal ROM in the right, played in the infield, but not in the left, and haven't worked on it since High School...How important is this in the Golf swing?? Im right handed so...I "throw" with my RH.

It depends on how tight it is compared with the right one. Most people have one side more flexible than the other- usually their throwing arm. If it's a small amount don't worry about it other than learn a few basic capsule stretches. See the previous link and Fredericks is a good overview/pretty good program.

One of the easiest comprehensive stretches is to get a club or hold on to something sturdy and "stretch into the ideal backswing or perfect follow through and hold. - Hold 20-30 seconds when you are away from the course or 2-4 seconds when you are about to actually play. Where you feel the tightest/most resistant is what you should focus on.
 

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I have been searching tpi for some good shoulder stretches, they seem to have lots of stability exercises but I am not finding much for stretching the shoulder muscles....I am still looking through the site though.

Matt,

You initially started this thread on Roger Frederick, did you actually purchase the DVD set or were you just looking for advice first. Well I have Roger Fredericks dvd set and as I said there are 6-7 good shoulder exercises.

PM me and we can talk further.


Jim
 
I wanted to hear if it was any good before I went and bought it. I want to get something to do a routine of plus I wanted some exercises I could do through out the day.
 

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Originally Posted by FloydPT38
Here is a link for some stretches to "do at the office" which are also good for golf. Check the links to additional stretches.
Video: Shoulder stretches and upper back stretches for the office - MayoClinic.com

Thanks for the link, that is what I am looking for, something I can do through out the day.

I just looked at the video its a good place to start, and doing something is better than nothing, however all of those exercises plus many more ar available in the Fredericks DVD. Depending on were you start you can take 20-45 minutes workouts about 3-4 times a week.

I also add cardio bike riding 4-5 times a week and lift weights 3-4 times a week. Many times I lift then stretch the very muscles I was working. I believe in mixing it up so not to get bored.
 
All I know is that I practiced far too long and too hard. I have major soreness in all of my pulling/ rotational muscles, abs are toast, lats ache, pecs ache, deltoids hurt, sore left QL, sore left oblique ouchie, my triceps are spent, my tush is sore, my legs are toast,and I strained my right forearm.

OCD

I hear you.

My left shoulder and the left side of my neck still ache more than they should.

Injuries are serious business! (and this isn't even bad- just some soreness)

You feel invincible until you do get hurt.

Stretching I think is a must.
 
In Baseball we did a similar test...We held are right arm out at a 90..think making a left hand turn when riding a motorcycle. Then we had to externally rotate it backwards. I always had good external/internal ROM in the right, played in the infield, but not in the left, and haven't worked on it since High School...How important is this in the Golf swing?? Im right handed so...I "throw" with my RH.

That's interesting my right arm tests out better too. (my throwing arm)

It measures your shoulder ROM. Specifically external rotation/abduction and internal rotation/adduction. The important point would be that you can do this move relatively painless and that both sides would be similar. So even if you can't touch how much of a difference is there with between left and right?

I can touch easy when my right arm is over the top of my head. I can still do it the otehr way around but not too easy. My right arm feels like it is the one holding me back. It is tight in the front of the shoulder I think.

It depends on how tight it is compared with the right one. Most people have one side more flexible than the other- usually their throwing arm. If it's a small amount don't worry about it other than learn a few basic capsule stretches.

One of the easiest comprehensive stretches is to get a club or hold on to something sturdy and "stretch into the ideal backswing or perfect follow through and hold. - Hold 20-30 seconds when you are away from the course or 2-4 seconds when you are about to actually play. Where you feel the tightest/most resistant is what you should focus on.

Good post.

The Samson Stretch is freaking good too. And "The Stick."

Only 2-4 seconds on the golf course? I think we have been over this before. Any longer than that is bad why? (I cannot remember)
 
I can touch easy when my right arm is over the top of my head. I can still do it the otehr way around but not too easy. My right arm feels like it is the one holding me back. It is tight in the front of the shoulder I think. (I cannot remember)

It could be the front as most people are a bit tight in their pectorals. Often due to the fact that we do more things (drive, computer etc) with our arms in front. Instead of mixing activities that emphasize both front and back. A great check is to lie down on your back with your hands clasped behind your head like you were watching the clouds thinking about winning the Masters. You want there to be very little tension in your elbow/upper arm/shoulder. You need to be able to do this very relaxed. If one side is tighter than the other work on the tight side. This will come into play in keeping your posture.

Why do you feel like your right one is holding you back?
 
Only 2-4 seconds on the golf course? I think we have been over this before. Any longer than that is bad why? (I cannot remember)

Basically, longer than 2-3 seconds relaxes the muscle too much to fully engage. When you are about to engage in an activity you want to do more dynamic stretches. Static stretches are ones you would do away from the course - holding 20-30 seconds. Dynamic ones are active - do a quick search on google and you'll get many examples.

I also had this in my archives.

Fradkin, A J. Sherman, C A. Finch, C F.
Improving golf performance with a warm up conditioning programme.
British Journal of Sports Medicine. 38(6):762-5, 2004 Dec.

OBJECTIVES: To determine whether a golf specific warm up programme (both immediately prior to play and after performing it five times a week for 5 weeks) improved performance in 10 male golfers compared with 10 controls matched for age, sex, and handicap.

METHODS: Twenty male golfers were matched for age (+/-2 years) and handicap (+/-1 stroke). Club head speed was assessed by two dimensional video analysis in a laboratory setting. In week 1, all golfers performed 10 strokes. In weeks 2 and 7, the controls underwent the same procedure as in week 1. The exercise group performed the golf specific warm up followed by their 10 strokes. Between weeks 2 and 7, the exercise group performed the specially designed warm up five times a week for 5 weeks.

RESULTS: The mean club head speeds of the exercise group improved at each testing week. Between weeks 1 and 2, golfers in the exercise group improved their club head speed on average by 3-6 m/s (12.8%), and between weeks 1 and 7, they increased their club head speeds by 7-10 m/s (24.0%). With the exception of one golfer whose club head speed varied by 1.7 m/s, the mean club head speeds of the golfers in the control group hardly varied over the testing period (range: 0.3-0.8 m/s). A significant difference (p = 0.029) was found between the mean club head speeds of the exercise and control groups over the duration of the study, and a significant interaction over time (p<0.001) was also found.

CONCLUSIONS: This study has shown that golfers' performances will be significantly improved by undertaking a golf specific warm up programme compared with not performing the warm up.


- In this program they did hold a few of the stretches for 5 seconds.
 
What about PNF and dynamic streaching? Anyone doing this and does it work?

Yes, to both and they work. However, it often doesn't work because people do it in isolation. Example. Someone appears to have tight hamstrings so you do some PNF and other stretches but they don't improve. Reason: Someone sits all day and their hip flexors are very tight which pulls their pelvis. When the hip flexor gets a little more flexible then the hamstring often responds. The greater your knowledge of biomechanics the more effective the techniques.
 
Floyd...it just felt tight in the right shoulder. I thought it might indicate that is the area limiting me.

This stuff is neat I want to explore this more now.
 
Yes, to both and they work. However, it often doesn't work because people do it in isolation. Example. Someone appears to have tight hamstrings so you do some PNF and other stretches but they don't improve. Reason: Someone sits all day and their hip flexors are very tight which pulls their pelvis. When the hip flexor gets a little more flexible then the hamstring often responds. The greater your knowledge of biomechanics the more effective the techniques.

He makes a very good point. Often an "area" of concern is due to a lack of flexibility or stability in one or both of the joints on either side of it. His example above is probably the most common one of these.
 
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