What is a Strong Grip???.....Conventional Grip??

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Manzella Academy Guys and Other Experts:

We talk a great deal on this forum about "Manzella Neutral" grips, and how they are ideal for some patterns, and may help encourage "tumble," etc. However, this got me thinking, at what point does a grip turn from being "neutral" or "conventional" to "strong?" Is it 15 or 20 degrees off of Manzella Neutral.....30......45?? I'm sorry if this has been covered before, but I kind of wanted to get the current opinon from the Manzella Academy guys.

Also, at what point does it become detrimantal to a player that wants to hit consistent "push draw" back to the target, or at least avoid leaking it right as much as possible? In other words, when will the "strong" grip become a problem and encourage the player to open the club on the downswing to aovid hooks/overdraws?
 
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