What is your putting average?
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Jim Kobylinski
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i don't have an actual average but it's in the 28-30 range. I'll let you know when i establish my handicap what it is, shoot be in the 0-2 range initially move down to + something.
bcoak
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Jim Kobylinski
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How many missed putts go past the hole?
otto6457
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Honestly Jim, probably only 2-3 misses a round are past the hole. I do leave several birdie putts short every round. It drives me nuts.
I am working on being less "stroke centered" as I seem to focus too much on my technique. For the past few months I have been using the "Brant Snedecker/Davis Love" style of "look at the hole, eyes back to the ball, and start the stroke with no pause", as a means of just reacting to the hole instead of over thinking the thing. I have cut way down on my 3-putts, but I still don't make enough birdie putts.
I even tried a belly putter for a few weeks and I was noticeably worse with my distance control.
When I played in college, I was a much better putter than I am now and I don't know why or what has changed.
Jim Kobylinski
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That's what i figured, you need to hit your putts FIRMER and play LESS BREAK.
Remember a 2 foot putt is a 2 foot putt whether its short or PAST the hole, only difference is that the 2 foot putt that went past the hole had a CHANCE to go in.
What i do is practice 10 foot putts about a foot to the right of the hole and focus on making a stroke that makes the putt end up about 1 or 2 feet past.
Then i change my line to try and make those putts with the same stroke. Don't be so afraid to hit put some speed on your putt. What happens is people like you get so anxiety driven that they have a chance to make a birdie that they try and create the "perfect putt" and leave it short.
Remember a 2 foot putt is a 2 foot putt whether its short or PAST the hole, only difference is that the 2 foot putt that went past the hole had a CHANCE to go in.
What i do is practice 10 foot putts about a foot to the right of the hole and focus on making a stroke that makes the putt end up about 1 or 2 feet past.
Then i change my line to try and make those putts with the same stroke. Don't be so afraid to hit put some speed on your putt. What happens is people like you get so anxiety driven that they have a chance to make a birdie that they try and create the "perfect putt" and leave it short.
Jared Willerson
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Tournament putts per round 2007: 28.5
I don't hit a lot of greens, but I do get up and down a lot. In a tournament earlier this year, I shot 76 and hit 4 greens, got up and down 12 out of 14 times.
needless to say, chipping and putting are my strength and I learned how to do both really well because of this site......Now if I could just be a better ballstriker....
I don't hit a lot of greens, but I do get up and down a lot. In a tournament earlier this year, I shot 76 and hit 4 greens, got up and down 12 out of 14 times.
needless to say, chipping and putting are my strength and I learned how to do both really well because of this site......Now if I could just be a better ballstriker....
Damon Lucas
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How firm? How much break?
How many athletic pursuits(throwing a ball/tennis shots/a quarterback throwing a pass) do you know involve the suggestion that you go a little past the target?
My suggestion is to find the tempo that YOU feel most comfortable with and then TRY to putt balls such that there is a certain 'delivery' speed AT the hole. That is you want a delivery speed that maximises your chances of making the putt IF it hits ANY part of the hole AND doesn't go too far past such that your comebackers are too testy for you!
Trust your instincts guys! How many times have you reached for a doorknob and missed short?
Little Brit
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I am a really terrible putter. I usually make it to the green or within short chipping distance in regulation then I often end up with as much as 46 putts. I have been trying all different things to help, different methods, different putters. It seems I am more of a streaky putter, some rounds are decent then the big blow ups. At the moment I am settled on having a slightly longer putter and holding the top Gulbis style almost like a belly putter. I managed a 35 putt round last time out using this method so I have hopes.
I have been trying all different things to help, different methods, different putters. It seems I am more of a streaky putter, some rounds are decent then the big blow ups. At the moment I am settled on having a slightly longer putter and holding the top Gulbis style almost like a belly putter. I managed a 35 putt round last time out using this method so I have hopes.I know why Otto leaves those putts short.
If he doesn't, he may have 10 feet coming back.
Life is good here Otto, game is not improving but I am going to see the man in a few weeks.
VTPlayer004
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I became a much better putter once I learned that I was a non-linear putter. In other words, I don't read the break in straight lines. Whearas some golfers can play a putt two cups or a ball out of the hole, I always struggled with where I was truly lined up. Now I try to visualize where I want the ball to fall into the hole given the right speed. So now if I have a putt that breaks hard from right to left, I will visualize the ball rolling into the cup at 3 o'clock and let my body line up to react to where I need to get the ball started to fall into the cup at that spot. As for speed, I have read that you do not want to be a situational putter (i.e. switch back and forth from hitting putts firm to dying them in the hole) and that you should stick to your given style. I tend to try and die the ball into the hole most of the time, and I struggle when I try to hit putts different ways (i.e. become a firm putter).
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Not quite a good example damon.
When the player you are throwing to catches it, the ball is traveling PAST them. They simply interrupt its flight... Tennis is different, you are not intending your partner to catch the thing!...
And you always throw (instinctively) slightly farther than the ball needs to travel, to allow the catcher to catch it before it drops severely due to gravity...
If you train yourself to putt balls the correct distance (best is 15-17 inches past the hole)...and can perform this consistently, the reading breaks becomes a matter of "watch and adjust" over a shrt period of time...
As long as your weight is correct and constant, the break reading develops correctly from that...
Weight first.
Using correct weight, learn the allowances...
Not quite a good example damon.
When the player you are throwing to catches it, the ball is traveling PAST them. They simply interrupt its flight... Tennis is different, you are not intending your partner to catch the thing!...
And you always throw (instinctively) slightly farther than the ball needs to travel, to allow the catcher to catch it before it drops severely due to gravity...
If you train yourself to putt balls the correct distance (best is 15-17 inches past the hole)...and can perform this consistently, the reading breaks becomes a matter of "watch and adjust" over a shrt period of time...
As long as your weight is correct and constant, the break reading develops correctly from that...
Weight first.
Using correct weight, learn the allowances...
davidmac00
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"If you train yourself to putt balls the correct distance (best is 15-17 inches past the hole)...and can perform this consistently, the reading breaks becomes a matter of "watch and adjust" over a shrt period of time...
As long as your weight is correct and constant, the break reading develops correctly from that..." quote from puttmad.
Why is this the correct distance?
How did you come to this conclusion?
Does grass types or slope affect this distance?
I completely agree that weight is first as it determines the line, but can there ever be a standard?
dmac00
As long as your weight is correct and constant, the break reading develops correctly from that..." quote from puttmad.
Why is this the correct distance?
How did you come to this conclusion?
Does grass types or slope affect this distance?
I completely agree that weight is first as it determines the line, but can there ever be a standard?
dmac00
Chris Sturgess
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17 inches has apparently been tested pretty thoroughly, but it is only for a flat putt. That is something most people overlook. A ball will of course be moving a lot slower if it goes 17 inches by the hole on a downhill putt and will be moving a lot faster by the hole if it goes 17 inches by on an uphill putt. So the 17 inch number would be less on an uphill putt for optimum falling into the hole conditions. Downhill the comebacker factor is too big to hit it harder. But for any fairly flat or uphill putt you are actually trying to make, recommmending dying it in the hole last revolution style is almost an impossible case to make.
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