Where should the focus be, short or long?
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Probably another eternal debate here but... I still believe that if someone said to me, look I want 10 hours of instruction, my main goal is lowering my score; what can you do for me? Unless there is some really bad full swing problem, like cant get it airborne, Most of the time, I'm going right to the 100 yards and in area of the course. Bobby Jones: "the secret of golf is turning 3 shots into 2.".
hp12c
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Come on granato give us the answer.
jenhaoyen
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It's the food man. If you play early in the morning and didn't eat, you should just not eat till you finish the round.
Even eating a hamburger or hot dog after 9 holes will mess up your swing.
j/k, i dunno lol
Kevin Shields
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This was a scenario in Gold Digest many years ago. A mid teens handicap played with Tom Kite but they each did the test. The score finished by the amateur was in the mid-high 70's but the score finished by Kite was 73-74 I think.
It's survival of the fittest. Lots more good to great male golfers - lots more male golfers, period, actually - and when all it whittled away, only the best are left standing.
Kevin, I'd love to hear you dissect your own game, past and present, and what you're emphasizing now.
Dear DC,
I didn't get responses from my post at #37 regarding the need for pros to pay more attention to the 5 over par 41 full shot average, after subtracting the 28-30 putt average. Your noting the need for practice at 100 yards or less, makes the INFERRED point that something CAUSED that remaining shot to be that length.
My point is , pro, or amateur, the short game is most often THE RESULT of some previous full swing ACCURACY failure(s), therefore, common sense would lead to the conclusion that BOTH the short game AND full swing accuracy need to be improved.
I have reviewed many threads on this site for a BALANCE in addressing ACCURACY with DISTANCE, and just wanted to make the point that IMO, it is very biased towards DISTANCE which is no surprise.
My work and postings on lower body dynamic balance, AND THE RESPONSES usually note a significant REDUCTION in dispersion, AND an increase in distance too, and I am admittedly trying to change the TEACHING and PLAYING culture to address TEMPO and DYNAMIC BALANCE as the cornerstones of those wanting to improve in balance with the time spent practicing the short game to ALSO reduce ones scores.
Comments PLEASE, especially from respected TEACHERS like you, because helping ALL golfers to improve, IS my life, now, and I want to improve my research and posts too.
Appreciatively,
art
Jared Willerson
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This is the difference between males and females based on my experience coaching them both at the High School level:
Males play games try shots act goofy and compete with one another around the greens. They see how high they can flop it, who can stop it on one bounce try to flop it with 7 irons, etc. They learn to hit all kinds of shots just goofing around in a competitive environment.
Girls like to be taught....everything. You show them one shot around the greens and that is all they will practice....ever. They watch the boys and just think they are being "dumb". They refrain from competing with one another on the practice greens unless made to do it. Even then they do not like it. Girls in general are perfectionists who like to have a concrete plan and be shown how to accomplish said plan, they enjoy the process Boys are more random and hate the "process". They learn by doing and figuring out if something works in competition or not.
I know these are generalizations but they are fairly accurate, based solely on my experiences. I enjoy coaching both, they each have strengths and weaknesses.
Males play games try shots act goofy and compete with one another around the greens. They see how high they can flop it, who can stop it on one bounce try to flop it with 7 irons, etc. They learn to hit all kinds of shots just goofing around in a competitive environment.
Girls like to be taught....everything. You show them one shot around the greens and that is all they will practice....ever. They watch the boys and just think they are being "dumb". They refrain from competing with one another on the practice greens unless made to do it. Even then they do not like it. Girls in general are perfectionists who like to have a concrete plan and be shown how to accomplish said plan, they enjoy the process Boys are more random and hate the "process". They learn by doing and figuring out if something works in competition or not.
I know these are generalizations but they are fairly accurate, based solely on my experiences. I enjoy coaching both, they each have strengths and weaknesses.
Dear DC,
I have had 'full PM blues' and hope I have not missed your response to this subject of enormous interest to me.
I want to unleash my other passion of 'statistics', and what IMO is SCREAMING at the professional golf teacher, but not being heard.
I dalso want it to be heard here, first, on Brian's site BUT I have a commitment to myself to just ANSWER posts for this year, kind of an apprenticeship.
So please resend the PM, or if appropriate, cut and paste it here.
Best regards,
art
Brian Manzella
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I was there at the World Scientific Golf Congress when this material was presented.
I couldn't have agreed more.
Now, there is always room for "subject dependent"....but.....
The stats don't lie. Thankfully, these stats will come out for every part of the game.
I couldn't have agreed more.
Now, there is always room for "subject dependent"....but.....
The stats don't lie. Thankfully, these stats will come out for every part of the game.
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