Where's the beef?
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On the new drivers, the sweet spot is just above the center of the club...
Definetly on older model blades where this so much weight in the hosel of the clubhead.
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B-Ray
seen as you should hit an iron BEFORE it hits the ground (i.e in the air) the ideal place is probly towards the leading edge.
i also have heard that it is slightly towards the heel. which makes me happy cos i cleaned my new irons the other day and saw all the marks were coming just towards the heel!!
i also have heard that it is slightly towards the heel. which makes me happy cos i cleaned my new irons the other day and saw all the marks were coming just towards the heel!!
birdie_man
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I think on older irons it was closer to the hosel. With the new ones they know how to make it centered I'm pertty sure.
As for drivers......for most of em you get max ball-SPEED on the center of the face. (i.e. "the center of the trampoline")
But due to I think COGs you typically get best launch/spin combos and hence the most distance just above the center of the face.
UNLESS- you are using a Hi-Bore or something similar. (if there even is anything else similar) The tagline for that driver BTW is something like "Sweetspot meets hotspot."
(to give you an idea)
Jim or Brian will know even more.
As for drivers......for most of em you get max ball-SPEED on the center of the face. (i.e. "the center of the trampoline")
But due to I think COGs you typically get best launch/spin combos and hence the most distance just above the center of the face.
UNLESS- you are using a Hi-Bore or something similar. (if there even is anything else similar) The tagline for that driver BTW is something like "Sweetspot meets hotspot."
(to give you an idea)
Jim or Brian will know even more.
Jim Kobylinski
Super Moderator
to be safe, try and hit both drivers and irons a little more towards the heel. All of the recent club designs have been trying to move the sweetspot on irons more towards the center of the face verse the heel and some are doing a good job but how much i don't know.
Also, with drivers, depending on design some might be more in the center of the face, some might be more center-high, and some might be more heel or heel-high. Experitment and find out.
Also, with drivers, depending on design some might be more in the center of the face, some might be more center-high, and some might be more heel or heel-high. Experitment and find out.
bronze_warrior
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Its not a matter of experiment, if you are familiar with the book "the golfing machine" written by Homer Kelley, you will find that the sweetspot is a precise spot on the clubface. If you dangle the club and use a plumb bob this will precisely show the sweetspot. A plumb bob is basically a weight on the end of a string. The string will represent what is called the longitudinal center of gravity. The clubhead is no more than a moving mass and this mass is guided by certain principles found in physics. I don't want to confuse you too much so I will keep it simple as possible and use an analogy. You can find the same effect when you whirl a rock on a piece of string.
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bronze_warrior
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bronze_warrior, I am sure Jim is aware of the concept of longitudinal center of gravity
Funny, you would never of thought it.
Brian Manzella
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Well...
Way, way, back in my career, there was a device that "popped" out at the clubhead, and on a strobe type scope, you saw squiggly lines if the "pop" was not on the sweetspot, and a dead straight line if you didn't.
Sometimes, the LCG just didn't line up.
Anyhoo, bronze warrior, why don't you spend a month or two reading The Physics of Golf by Theodore P Jorgensen.
It is much more scientifically precise than TGM, which should entertain you for a while.
I'd love to see some flash 3-D's of Jorgensen's models.
Way, way, back in my career, there was a device that "popped" out at the clubhead, and on a strobe type scope, you saw squiggly lines if the "pop" was not on the sweetspot, and a dead straight line if you didn't.
Sometimes, the LCG just didn't line up.
Anyhoo, bronze warrior, why don't you spend a month or two reading The Physics of Golf by Theodore P Jorgensen.
It is much more scientifically precise than TGM, which should entertain you for a while.
I'd love to see some flash 3-D's of Jorgensen's models.
bronze_warrior
Banned
Way, way, back in my career, there was a device that "popped" out at the clubhead, and on a strobe type scope, you saw squiggly lines if the "pop" was not on the sweetspot, and a dead straight line if you didn't.
Sometimes, the LCG just didn't line up.
Anyhoo, bronze warrior, why don't you spend a month or two reading The Physics of Golf by Theodore P Jorgensen.
It is much more scientifically precise than TGM, which should entertain you for a while.
I'd love to see some flash 3-D's of Jorgensen's models.
You could just buy one of these to help you understand the concept as to why your statement above is incorrect.
I'll try and explain this to you in a way that you can understand - in the most basic and simple terms. The clubhead is a moving mass that is always pulling in the direction of the longitudinal center of gravity. Whenever you deviate from this line you don't get the efficient energy transfer as depicted by the device in the picture.
Spend a month or two rereading the golfing machine as you fail to grasp this very basic concept.
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Kevin Shields
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I'll try to explain this in very simple terms so that you can follow. When you type a question, you end the sentence with a question mark.
When you get your own forum and 7000 members, you can spend all day telling everyone how smart you are...
When you get your own forum and 7000 members, you can spend all day telling everyone how smart you are...
bronze_warrior
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I'll try to explain this in very simple terms so that you can follow. When you type a question, you end the sentence with a question mark.
When you get your own forum and 7000 members, you can spend all day telling everyone how smart you are...
There is no question marks cos I asked none. Brian gets easily confused, as do you it seems....
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huestisc
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You could just buy one of these to help you understand the concept as to why your statement above is incorrect.
I'll try and explain this to you in a way that you can understand - in the most basic and simple terms. The clubhead is a moving mass that is always pulling in the direction of the longitudinal center of gravity. Whenever you deviate from this line you don't get the efficient energy transfer as depicted by the device in the picture.
Spend a month or two rereading the golfing machine as you fail to grasp this very basic concept.
Brian is a nice guy. He is also a smart guy, who has helped thousands of people via this site, mainly for free. The fortunate ones who have been able to see him in person all agree that it was well worth any cost to see him. He helps people enjoy golf by making them play closer to their potential than they ever imagined.
What is your point, other than trying to be an a**hole? If it's all in The Book, then why don't you go home, curl up with a nice cup of cocoa and read it for the 10,000th time? If you have something important to say, say it...if not, do us a favor and take a hike.
tbyeaton0627
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I find it funny that folks like BW get up in the morning and think "I think I will go onto Brian's site and try to discredit him today."
BW must have lots of spare time.
Isn't the point of the forum to debate and learn? what would it be if everyone just took brian at his word, im sure he'd tell you he isn't right ALLL the time...maybe most of it though.... I for one am having a good time
Jim Kobylinski
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I think i'll take the words of the engineers of the many Original Equiptment Manufacturers over Homer, sorry but true.
bronze_warrior
Banned
Notice that your debating in any logical manner here - mainly because you probably know who I am by now and know you would get crushed. Your arguement is basically - these people are smarter than me and I trust them. Thats not an arguement - thats just indolence.
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