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No, they always show Appleby, Woods, Els, and most other modern players. Honestly, not one takes it under the shaft plane. Stew, are you saying that I may be too centered? My head doesn't move back very much and I've felt that I may be getting close to a reverse pivot.

I've rewatched the Soft Draw. If I did that, my club would be way underneath the original shaft plane. Is that a problem?
 
No, they always show Appleby, Woods, Els, and most other modern players. Honestly, not one takes it under the shaft plane. Stew, are you saying that I may be too centered? My head doesn't move back very much and I've felt that I may be getting close to a reverse pivot.

I've rewatched the Soft Draw. If I did that, my club would be way underneath the original shaft plane. Is that a problem?

I'm saying that unintentionally you can be too centered. When you're trying to take the club more outside on the way back, often times it'll turn into a lift, instead of a turn. Your backswing is very similar to mine, as I mentioned, and I think it's because your left shoulder is not moving correctly.

Go through some of the threads and take a look at SMarko's swing in the thread that he posted with his swing filmed on the Casio camera. (Low Light is in the title somewhere) Watch how his shoulders turn on a beautiful angle, but his hands never get inside, and the clubhead stays out in front of him, and if anything, ends up slightly across the line at the top. You (and I) will never achieve that same position, because the left shoulder orbits outward, instead of working a little down and inward. I also think that this leads to over rotation of the left arm, which adds to the laid off position at the top.

Your shoulders are rotating on too flat an angle, which is why you feel like you are almost reverse pivoting. When that left shoulder moves out, it pulls your spine out of it's original tilt, and you never will turn behind the ball.

Give it a try, I know it's really helped me!!! You should also feel like your pivot will improve. It will give you the opportunity to make a full turn!

Stew
 
Thanks Stew, but I am confused. According to the measurements, my shoulder turn is over 100 degrees on most full swings. The pro is actually trying to get me to limit it. I do notice that my head moves very little. When you say that my shoulder orbits outward, do you mean towards the target line? What exactly are you doing to work on it? Does it feel more like a lateral move?
 
Thanks Stew, but I am confused. According to the measurements, my shoulder turn is over 100 degrees on most full swings. The pro is actually trying to get me to limit it. I do notice that my head moves very little. When you say that my shoulder orbits outward, do you mean towards the target line? What exactly are you doing to work on it? Does it feel more like a lateral move?

Yes, that's correct that I mean the initial move of the left shoulder is toward the target line. This forces the left arm and hand to follow suit, and voila! Pop out!

I guess the best way to explain how I would work on it is to feel like the shoulder turn is slightly steeper, but for me, it feels like I am trying to direct my left shoulder toward my right heel in the takeaway. This allows me to get my hands moving on the correct plane in the backswing. On the backswing, I am trying to not let my left shoulder move closer to the ball.


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The green arrow on the left picture represents what your left shoulder is currently doing; the green arrow on the right represents what I think would help your backswing immensely!

I dont feel a lateral move, but I do feel more weight pivoting onto my right leg. I feel like I'm swinging more into my right leg, as opposed to hovering over my left side.

I apologize for confusing you, this is something new I just figured out a few days ago with very good results thus far, and I'm hoping I can help you out!

Stew
 
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Brian Manzella

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Only if you want to hit it better...

Somewhere in the deep recesses of this forum, I explained all of this before...but...

You do not want the club shaft to be parallel to the target line on the backswing unless:

a. You are trying to hit a fade out of a square-ish stance

b. you have lots of early right right cock.

c. you have a very limited turn early on in the backswing.

or...

d. you are hitting it great doing that

The reason you should have a different "first parallel" than a "last before impact parallel" is the vaST differencE in the shoulder locations.

Like AP here:

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I could pull the downswing pics of these golfers, and draw lines, but, hopefully, you get the point.

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Thanks Brian. If I take it inside, doesn't that cause you to lift your arms and then cup your left wrist? Since, I've discovered your teaching, I have been sold on the idea of a flat left wrist. If you raise your arms and cross the line at the top, are advocating a cupped left wrist?
 

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Thanks Brian. If I take it inside, doesn't that cause you to lift your arms and then cup your left wrist?

No.

Pop-Golf Instruction Crapola!

All the golfers in the pic, Lindsay-Palmer-Hogan-Snead-Wright, had/have no problem with any of that.

To me, the phony baloney up the line on the screen takeaway causes all sorts of problems.

How do I know?

I taught it to everyone for years.


Since, I've discovered your teaching, I have been sold on the idea of a flat left wrist. If you raise your arms and cross the line at the top, are advocating a cupped left wrist?

Am I advocating a cupped left wrist??????!!!
 
I'll make the assumption that you are not advocating a cupped left wrist. Once I take the club inside, right arm above left and the club is pointing one yard right of the target, the turn is almost completed??? Then, do the arms just raise? How do you have a flat wrist? Do you incorporate the twist away?
 

Brian Manzella

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I'll make the assumption that you are not advocating a cupped left wrist. Once I take the club inside, right arm above left and the club is pointing one yard right of the target, the turn is almost completed??? Then, do the arms just raise? How do you have a flat wrist? Do you incorporate the twist away?

"Chicageaux," you have an arched left wrist at the top.

Why are you worrying about a Soft Draw type backswing cupping your wrist?

BTW, I am the king of customized, but if you just made ANYTHING like a Soft Draw backswing, you'd be light years better.
 
I'll rewatch the video and try it out today. I really need to schedule a lesson with you. I just don't know when I'll be able to. I will say that the soft draw back swing does feel more natural. I was cupped at the top and have worked hard to correct it. The cupped wrist caused me to pull the club down which made it really steep and then I would hang back and flip. I was very square at impact.

So, I've been working on not flipping and being more open at impact. Do you have any other advice?
 
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