softconsult
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No one can answer your question. Why not be just a little bit decisive and buy one, "Building Blocks". Tommorrow you can buy another and so on.
Which Video is Recommended for Purchase?
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I was in your position last year. It was my first year playing and trying to improve. I found all of Brian's videos to be of help. Initially, it was NSA. Then, SD increased the improvement. Finally, NHA gave me some options to think about when the hooks crept in. I bought building blocks and considered it a help as well but not as much as the others.
I would recommend watching them in that order and use the elements from them as they apply to your problems. The thing is that, although these videos detail swing patterns, a typical lesson with a Manzella Academy instructor may consist of mixing and matching the elements from the various videos. It's all about building your customized swing.
This initial frustration I encountered with not being able to perform the complete NSA pattern was discouraging until I realized the need for me to have a custom pattern. Many can play great with a complete NSA swing, just not me. It wasn't until I blended the SD pattern that I noticed significant improvement.
Hope that helps with your question.
K,
You've probably watched a lot of Brian's youtube videos I assume, but nonetheless here is one where Brian compares COFF with Building Blocks. IN the video, he contrasts COFF with NSA.
YouTube - Brian Manzella Video Answer - Flipper vs. Building Blocks
Also, the first two minutes of Soft Draw is here:
YouTube - brianmanzella
Also, the Golf Channel video submission had a lot of NSA concepts in it
YouTube - Golf Channel Instructor Search Contest Entry
You've probably watched a lot of Brian's youtube videos I assume, but nonetheless here is one where Brian compares COFF with Building Blocks. IN the video, he contrasts COFF with NSA.
YouTube - Brian Manzella Video Answer - Flipper vs. Building Blocks
Also, the first two minutes of Soft Draw is here:
YouTube - brianmanzella
Also, the Golf Channel video submission had a lot of NSA concepts in it
YouTube - Golf Channel Instructor Search Contest Entry
yeah, it does thanks. I guess that was my main concern, but it seems like by the time I finish with the videos, then "I'll just know" what to incorporate correct? Thanks.
I doubt you will just know. You may have an idea what the problem is but the proof is in the practice. You have to embrace the trial and error process. Read the forum daily, do searches for topics that may help you, and periodically review the videos. You may pick up on something new each time!
It not because of indecision, it's because of lack of knowledge. I was worried about not being able to interpret the videos together all together. It seems nobody really addressed HOW you apply the videos to a practice and which elements you take from each. I thought you would just know after spmurph's initial reply but it doesn't seem so simple. I think he said the instructor who is knowledgable can take different elements from each video, etc and put them together in a way that would work best for me.
Since I lack that ability and seemingly so from spmurph's second reply, that it would just be a leap of faith and try try try. I just worried that I would put together wrong elements, etc. and perhaps there is a high chance I might? Oh well.. if it can't be avoided, then it can't be avoided but at least I wanted to know and get a straight and simple answer.
I'll probably buy the NSA first as typical beginners slice the ball more and I guess I'm your typical beginner.
Did you view the links I gave already? They provide about a lot of material and hopefully a feel for the directions you could go.
As a beginner, most people can't even make the same swing twice in a row, so I can't sympathize with your indecision. Most people also aren't starting from a blank slate. Theoretically, if you aren't already poisoned with swing ideas and habits, you would have the freedom to pick just about any pattern out there, and make it work.
The advantage of Brian's stuff is its based on ball flight, science, and that there is tons of explanation about how to do the things for that pattern. Most other teachers are one trick pony's and they have 100 videos of one way to hit the ball, but lack the precision of why you need to do the steps they insist on.
As a beginner, most people can't even make the same swing twice in a row, so I can't sympathize with your indecision. Most people also aren't starting from a blank slate. Theoretically, if you aren't already poisoned with swing ideas and habits, you would have the freedom to pick just about any pattern out there, and make it work.
The advantage of Brian's stuff is its based on ball flight, science, and that there is tons of explanation about how to do the things for that pattern. Most other teachers are one trick pony's and they have 100 videos of one way to hit the ball, but lack the precision of why you need to do the steps they insist on.
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It depends on what you need. In your limited ball striking experience, what are your typical misses? There is no way anyone can prescribe a specific plan for you without knowing what your needs are. That's the thing about the Manzella Matrix. There is no "one size fits all". Even for beginners.
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So do you slice? I guess I don't understand how several guys have asked you what are your misses and you cant respond. No matter if you are a beginner or an expert, you have to know which way your ball is flying. That is all we are asking. If you can't answer this than you have already recieved your answer from Brian.
Yeah, I slice, I hit it fat, I hit it thin, I hook. I don't even know myself if I hit it fat or hit it thin more, it seems about the same. However, it does feel like I hit a slice more often. It usually depends on the day, if I'm slicing, I'll generally be slicing with an occasional hook, and if I'm hooking it, well.. then I'll have an occasional slice.
I do slice more.
I do slice more.
Let me get ahead of myself a little bit, so after I buy the NSA 2.0, and stop slicing, will it depend on the problems I'm having in order to see which video I should buy?
I would really like to learn as much as I can on the golf swing. I really don't mind buying all 3 that he mentioned if that was optimal, I just don't know how I would go about to learn the information in there and apply them to myself.
I would really like to learn as much as I can on the golf swing. I really don't mind buying all 3 that he mentioned if that was optimal, I just don't know how I would go about to learn the information in there and apply them to myself.
softconsult
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ktkn, I'm sure you are nice guy, but really you need to just risk the $20 bucks and buy one. In golf there is a common phrase, "Paralysis by Analysis". You have it bad, and you've never set foot on a course.
Or here's another way....who's swing do you admire?
Jack Nicklaus? Then get soft draw.
David Toms, then NHA.
I'm not sure about building blocks, but it's a full participation pattern....but maybe Elkington.
Other swing aficianados please chime in with what players those patterns are like.
Jack Nicklaus? Then get soft draw.
David Toms, then NHA.
I'm not sure about building blocks, but it's a full participation pattern....but maybe Elkington.
Other swing aficianados please chime in with what players those patterns are like.
I am a nice guy
I've already mentioned I'm going to buy NSA, but will probably buy Soft draw and the NHA also, along with another instructor's video as well. I just like to learn as much as I can. I don't think I suffer by paralysis by analysis because that would be not doing anything. I keep trying, and just have to overlook the fact that I don't understand certain things. When I actually play a game (executive or pitch and putt), I don't focus on anything, I just try to hit the ball and have moderate success. I've beaten my friend who got me into the game and he tells me he shoots in the high 80s on a par 54 course (I think I shot 66, yes don't laugh, I know that sucks). The forum is like a shortcut to me. If I can find out the answer without having to trial/error on my own, I'll try to ask and hopefully some nice and understanding guys (or gals) can help me out.
I understand that basically my question is unanswerable without certain given premises. However, unfortunately, I can't really provide those premises or I can be wrong in my assumptions. I guess what this forum really needs are video lessons, where you can submit a video and then get responses on how to fix or what to work on like some other sites have. It might also help with putting together videos or which videos to purchase and what to work on. As like the other forum member pointed out, even if I buy all the videos, I STILL won't know what to do and still have to trial and error. I really wanted to know just that and hope there was a better way (other than taking lessons from da man himself), but if not, then I'll just consider it part of the process.
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There is no shortcut. You will only get better with practice. Not just beating balls at the range but "deep" or "deliberate" practice, as some recent books on talent have noted. Gaining knowledge through videos and information in this forum will assist in this type of practice.
Try this. Buy NSA and try to fully integrate the complete pattern. There are several chapters in NSA. Study and practice each chapter carefully. Practice for at least a month and then post a swing video of your swing.
Also, I never said you won't know what to do if you buy all the videos. I said it might take some time and practice to determine which elements are optimum for you. I can sympathize with wanting to become good in a short period of time but just like all new ventures, that just does not happen.
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I'm in the same boat as you, new to the game (since mid summer 2010) but I can find ways to score. I've broken 90 and have had a handful of legitimate birdies. Buy NSA and SD. Do not ever forget the practice green and do not try to out-smart the game. You will never win.
For clarification...buy Never Slice Again and Soft Draw Pattern. The price is easily half the price of a 1/2 hour PGA Pro lesson.
For clarification...buy Never Slice Again and Soft Draw Pattern. The price is easily half the price of a 1/2 hour PGA Pro lesson.
You may want to consider this video as well, I didn't see it in Brian's store, so I hope he doesn't mind this post. He did the video with Mike Jacobs, so I assume its okay to reference it here.
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