birdie_man
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Who Dat Say Dey Gonna Beat Them Saints? now with a Manzella BLOG!
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The curse is lifted and now it's time to establish a dynasty. In 2013 the Super Bowl comes to the Dome and it will time to make history yet again.
WHO DAT!
Thank you Saints. You have given me something I will never forget and no one can EVER take away. Tuesday February 9th 2010 the first Lombardi Gras!!!!!!!
WHO DAT!
Thank you Saints. You have given me something I will never forget and no one can EVER take away. Tuesday February 9th 2010 the first Lombardi Gras!!!!!!!
Matt 4-L
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Can any of you LA guys or gals tell us where this "Who dat" came from? I can't imagine you guys have been saying this sang for the last 40 years with the way the Saints have played, is it something new since they have been winning? Or is it something cultural or simply ubonics? I did a google search and didn't really come up with anything other than the chant.
Matt 4-L
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Never mind, found it. Should of looked it up in wikipedia first, it has everything: From Wikipedia
Origins
The chant of "Who Dat?" originated in minstrel shows and vaudeville acts of the late 1800s and early 1900s and was taken up by jazz and big band performers in the 1920s and 30s.
The first reference to "Who Dat?" can be found in the 19th Century. A featured song in E.E. Rice's "Summer Nights" is the song "Who Dat Say Chicken In dis Crowd",[1] with lyrics by poet Paul Laurence Dunbar.[2] A common tag line in the days of Negro minstrel shows was: "Who dat?" answered by "Who dat say who dat?" Many different blackfaced gags played off that opening. Vaudeville performer Mantan Moreland was known for the routine.[2] Another example is "Swing Wedding," a 1930s Harman-Ising cartoon musical, which caricatured Fats Waller, Cab Calloway, Bill "Bojangles" Robinson, Ethel Waters, and the Mills Brothers as frogs in a swamp performing minstrel show jokes and jazz tunes. The frogs repeatedly used the phrase "who dat?"
In the swing era, "who dat" chants back and forth between the band and the band leader or between the audience and the band were extemporaneous. That is, there was no one specific set of words except for the two magic ones.
"Who Dat?" lyrics from 1937:
Who dat up there who’s dat down there
Who dat up there who dat well down there
Who’s dat up there, sayin’ who’s dat down there
When I see you up there well who’s dat down there
Who dat inside who’s dat outside
Who’s dat inside who dat well outside
Who’s dat inside, singin’ who’s dat outside
When I see up there well who’s dat out there
Button up your lip there big boy
Stop answerin’ back
Give you a tip there big boy
Announce yourself jack
Who dat up there who’s dat down there
Who dat up there who dat, well down there
Who’s dat up there, singin’ who’s dat down there
When I see you up there you bum
Well who’s dat down there
Who dat
Staged minstrel skits featured frightened African-American characters saying "who dat" when they encountered a ghost, or someone imitating a ghost. Then, the "who dat"-"who dat say who dat" skit would play itself out. This skit was done frequently in short reels from the 1930s - 1950s and in some early TV shows too. Even the Marx Brothers had a "who dat" routine, which they included in their film A Day at the Races.[2] Often, a ghost was called a "who dat". MGM's now-banned animated character Bosko once had such an encounter in a 1938 toon called "Lil Ol Bosko in Bagdad".
"Who Dat?" became a familiar joke with soldiers during World War II.
Back in WWII, US fighter squadron pilots would often fly under radio silence. But things get lonely up there in the cockpit, so after a while there'd be a crackle of static as someone keyed his mike. Then a disembodied voice would reply, "Who dat?" An answer would come, "Who dat say who dat?" And another, "Who dat say who dat say who dat?" After a few rounds of this, the squadron commander would grab his microphone and yell, "Cut it out, you guys!" A few moments of silence. Then... "Who dat?"[cite this quote]
[edit] Origins of the "Who Dat?" Chant
"Who Dat" became part of a chant for fans cheering on their favorite team. It has been debated exactly where it started, but some claim it began with Southern University fans either in the late 1960s or early 1970s and went "Who dat say dey gonna beat dem Jags" - Southern University being nicknamed the Jaguars.[3] Another claim is that around the same time it began at St. Augustine High School, a historically African-American all boys Catholic high school in New Orleans, and then spread to the New Orleans Public Schools. Another claim is that the cheer originated at Patterson High School in Patterson, Louisiana (home of Saints running back Dalton Hilliard).[2] In the late 1970s fans at Alcorn State University and Louisiana State University picked up on the cheer.[4] By 1983, the New Orleans Saints organization officially adopted it during the tenure of coach Bum Phillips, and Aaron Neville (along with local musicians Sal and Steve Monistere and Carlo Nuccio) recorded a version of "When the Saints Go Marching In" that incorporated the chant (performed by a group of Saints players) that became a major local hit, due in part to the support of sportscaster Ron Swoboda and the fact that Saints fans had been using the chant already.[2] Meanwhile, in about 1981 Cincinnati Bengals fans and players had started with their similar "Who Dey" cheer.[5]
After the Saints won the NFC Championship Game on January 24, 2010, against the Minnesota Vikings in the Superdome, fans from all across New Orleans, including fans who were exiting the game, started a Mardi Gras-style "Who Dat" on Bourbon Street with modified lyrics, chanting, "Who Dat, Who Dat, Who Dat in the Super Bowl!" in reference to the Saints advancing to the Super Bowl for the first time ever in their 43-year history.[6][7]
[edit] Who Dat Nation
In recent years the phrase "Who Dat Nation" has become a popular term for the community of Saints fans.[8][9][10] According to Bobby Hebert, formerly a Saints quarterback and currently a sports commentator in New Orleans, the term "Who Dat Nation" originated after a highly anticipated 2006 game between the Saints and the favored Dallas Cowboys, which the Saints won; after the game, listeners from a wide geographic range called in to Hebert's radio show on WWL (AM), and Hebert commented, "Man, there's a whole Who Dat Nation out there."[11]
[edit] Ownership Controversy
In January 2010, the NFL sent cease and desist letters to several Louisiana t-shirt shop owners ordering them to cease producing t-shirts bearing the phrase "Who dat". According to some recipients of these letters, the NFL was claiming to own the trademark to the term "Who dat", and that the NFL claimed that unlicensed t-shirts bearing the phrase would cause confusion among fans of the Saints about the official status of the merchandise.[12] The Monisteres, through their company WhoDat Inc. also released a statement claiming rights to the phrase, which they registered in 1983 after recording the version of "When the Saints Go Marching In" that incorporated the chant.[13] The Monistere's record is listed as inactive, meaning that it was not renewed upon expiration. The Saints organization, through their company The New Orleans Louisiana Saints Limited Partnership, also registered the mark "Who Dat" in 1988 when used in conjunction with "fleur-de-lis design",[14] but later the Saints released their claim of ownership to WhoDat, Inc., asserting that they owned the phrase.[15]
In response to what many are calling a "frivolous threat" and "bullying" by the NFL to scare merchants into selling only NFL licensed goods, fans across the nation in various blogs and radio call-in shows are calling for a boycott of all NFL officially licensed merchandise until the NFL formally recanted its position on claiming the "Who Dat?" trademark.[citation needed]
The NFL's action also provoked responses from U.S. Senator David Vitter and Congressman Charlie Melancon of Louisiana, among others. Vitter sent a formal letter to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell criticizing the NFL's attempt to claim ownership of the chant, informing Goodell he would be printing t-shirts using the phrase, and daring the NFL to sue him.[16] It was later reported that the NFL had responded to Vitter's letter, stating that it was only seeking to prevent unauthorized uses of "Who Dat?" together with other identifying marks of the Saints.[17][18]
Louisiana Attorney General Buddy Caldwell called the NFL and had a conversation about the ownership of the "Who Dat" slogan and of the Fleur de Lis. Caldwell said the bottom line from the legal back-and-forth with the league is that the NFL "is conceding it has no exclusive rights to the fleur-de-lis and no exclusive rights to 'Who Dat' and offshoots of 'Who Dat,' and no exclusive rights to the colors black and gold."
Caldwell said his office was drafting a document to be signed by the state and the NFL by Tuesday outlining what is and is not allowable.[19]
[edit] Recorded versions
Who Dat? - Aaron Neville
Who Dat - Royal Crown Revue
Who Dat? - JV (Jimmie Vestal) Two different versions recorded
Who Dat 2006 - Ghost & Birdfinger
Are You A Who Dat? - Mike Grothues
Dat "Who Dat" Jazz - Olympia Brass Band
A Who Dat Christmas - Who Dat Children's Choir
Who Let the Dogs Out (Who Dat remix) - Baha Men/Clear Channel New Orleans
Who Dat is coming out- Keith Reagan
Who Dat Fever - Weathered
The Who Dat Roll - Williams Riley[20]
Black and Gold (Who Dat???)- K. Gates
[edit] Pop
Party in the MIA-- mentions who dat [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnkLfYk_ff8[/media]
[edit] In hip hop
"Who Dat" is the name of the 8th single off of The Recession by Young Jeezy. They say who dat?
A variation of the "Who dat" chant was also used in the Lil' Wayne single "A Milli". Who dat say they gon beat Lil Wayne?
JT Money has a 1999 single called "Who Dat." The song was a hit, but was likely not intended to have any relation to the Saints or Vaudeville.
"Who dat" is also used in the song "Holla Back" by New Orleans-based rapper Juvenile: "They want a pimp to give them some money, but I don't do that. But baby I'm a Saints fan that's why I say who dat."
In 2009, New Orleans based artist K. Gates recorded “Black and Gold (Who Dat)” based on Ying Yang Twins’ “Halftime (Get Crunk)”.
Origins
The chant of "Who Dat?" originated in minstrel shows and vaudeville acts of the late 1800s and early 1900s and was taken up by jazz and big band performers in the 1920s and 30s.
The first reference to "Who Dat?" can be found in the 19th Century. A featured song in E.E. Rice's "Summer Nights" is the song "Who Dat Say Chicken In dis Crowd",[1] with lyrics by poet Paul Laurence Dunbar.[2] A common tag line in the days of Negro minstrel shows was: "Who dat?" answered by "Who dat say who dat?" Many different blackfaced gags played off that opening. Vaudeville performer Mantan Moreland was known for the routine.[2] Another example is "Swing Wedding," a 1930s Harman-Ising cartoon musical, which caricatured Fats Waller, Cab Calloway, Bill "Bojangles" Robinson, Ethel Waters, and the Mills Brothers as frogs in a swamp performing minstrel show jokes and jazz tunes. The frogs repeatedly used the phrase "who dat?"
In the swing era, "who dat" chants back and forth between the band and the band leader or between the audience and the band were extemporaneous. That is, there was no one specific set of words except for the two magic ones.
"Who Dat?" lyrics from 1937:
Who dat up there who’s dat down there
Who dat up there who dat well down there
Who’s dat up there, sayin’ who’s dat down there
When I see you up there well who’s dat down there
Who dat inside who’s dat outside
Who’s dat inside who dat well outside
Who’s dat inside, singin’ who’s dat outside
When I see up there well who’s dat out there
Button up your lip there big boy
Stop answerin’ back
Give you a tip there big boy
Announce yourself jack
Who dat up there who’s dat down there
Who dat up there who dat, well down there
Who’s dat up there, singin’ who’s dat down there
When I see you up there you bum
Well who’s dat down there
Who dat
Staged minstrel skits featured frightened African-American characters saying "who dat" when they encountered a ghost, or someone imitating a ghost. Then, the "who dat"-"who dat say who dat" skit would play itself out. This skit was done frequently in short reels from the 1930s - 1950s and in some early TV shows too. Even the Marx Brothers had a "who dat" routine, which they included in their film A Day at the Races.[2] Often, a ghost was called a "who dat". MGM's now-banned animated character Bosko once had such an encounter in a 1938 toon called "Lil Ol Bosko in Bagdad".
"Who Dat?" became a familiar joke with soldiers during World War II.
Back in WWII, US fighter squadron pilots would often fly under radio silence. But things get lonely up there in the cockpit, so after a while there'd be a crackle of static as someone keyed his mike. Then a disembodied voice would reply, "Who dat?" An answer would come, "Who dat say who dat?" And another, "Who dat say who dat say who dat?" After a few rounds of this, the squadron commander would grab his microphone and yell, "Cut it out, you guys!" A few moments of silence. Then... "Who dat?"[cite this quote]
[edit] Origins of the "Who Dat?" Chant
"Who Dat" became part of a chant for fans cheering on their favorite team. It has been debated exactly where it started, but some claim it began with Southern University fans either in the late 1960s or early 1970s and went "Who dat say dey gonna beat dem Jags" - Southern University being nicknamed the Jaguars.[3] Another claim is that around the same time it began at St. Augustine High School, a historically African-American all boys Catholic high school in New Orleans, and then spread to the New Orleans Public Schools. Another claim is that the cheer originated at Patterson High School in Patterson, Louisiana (home of Saints running back Dalton Hilliard).[2] In the late 1970s fans at Alcorn State University and Louisiana State University picked up on the cheer.[4] By 1983, the New Orleans Saints organization officially adopted it during the tenure of coach Bum Phillips, and Aaron Neville (along with local musicians Sal and Steve Monistere and Carlo Nuccio) recorded a version of "When the Saints Go Marching In" that incorporated the chant (performed by a group of Saints players) that became a major local hit, due in part to the support of sportscaster Ron Swoboda and the fact that Saints fans had been using the chant already.[2] Meanwhile, in about 1981 Cincinnati Bengals fans and players had started with their similar "Who Dey" cheer.[5]
After the Saints won the NFC Championship Game on January 24, 2010, against the Minnesota Vikings in the Superdome, fans from all across New Orleans, including fans who were exiting the game, started a Mardi Gras-style "Who Dat" on Bourbon Street with modified lyrics, chanting, "Who Dat, Who Dat, Who Dat in the Super Bowl!" in reference to the Saints advancing to the Super Bowl for the first time ever in their 43-year history.[6][7]
[edit] Who Dat Nation
In recent years the phrase "Who Dat Nation" has become a popular term for the community of Saints fans.[8][9][10] According to Bobby Hebert, formerly a Saints quarterback and currently a sports commentator in New Orleans, the term "Who Dat Nation" originated after a highly anticipated 2006 game between the Saints and the favored Dallas Cowboys, which the Saints won; after the game, listeners from a wide geographic range called in to Hebert's radio show on WWL (AM), and Hebert commented, "Man, there's a whole Who Dat Nation out there."[11]
[edit] Ownership Controversy
In January 2010, the NFL sent cease and desist letters to several Louisiana t-shirt shop owners ordering them to cease producing t-shirts bearing the phrase "Who dat". According to some recipients of these letters, the NFL was claiming to own the trademark to the term "Who dat", and that the NFL claimed that unlicensed t-shirts bearing the phrase would cause confusion among fans of the Saints about the official status of the merchandise.[12] The Monisteres, through their company WhoDat Inc. also released a statement claiming rights to the phrase, which they registered in 1983 after recording the version of "When the Saints Go Marching In" that incorporated the chant.[13] The Monistere's record is listed as inactive, meaning that it was not renewed upon expiration. The Saints organization, through their company The New Orleans Louisiana Saints Limited Partnership, also registered the mark "Who Dat" in 1988 when used in conjunction with "fleur-de-lis design",[14] but later the Saints released their claim of ownership to WhoDat, Inc., asserting that they owned the phrase.[15]
In response to what many are calling a "frivolous threat" and "bullying" by the NFL to scare merchants into selling only NFL licensed goods, fans across the nation in various blogs and radio call-in shows are calling for a boycott of all NFL officially licensed merchandise until the NFL formally recanted its position on claiming the "Who Dat?" trademark.[citation needed]
The NFL's action also provoked responses from U.S. Senator David Vitter and Congressman Charlie Melancon of Louisiana, among others. Vitter sent a formal letter to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell criticizing the NFL's attempt to claim ownership of the chant, informing Goodell he would be printing t-shirts using the phrase, and daring the NFL to sue him.[16] It was later reported that the NFL had responded to Vitter's letter, stating that it was only seeking to prevent unauthorized uses of "Who Dat?" together with other identifying marks of the Saints.[17][18]
Louisiana Attorney General Buddy Caldwell called the NFL and had a conversation about the ownership of the "Who Dat" slogan and of the Fleur de Lis. Caldwell said the bottom line from the legal back-and-forth with the league is that the NFL "is conceding it has no exclusive rights to the fleur-de-lis and no exclusive rights to 'Who Dat' and offshoots of 'Who Dat,' and no exclusive rights to the colors black and gold."
Caldwell said his office was drafting a document to be signed by the state and the NFL by Tuesday outlining what is and is not allowable.[19]
[edit] Recorded versions
Who Dat? - Aaron Neville
Who Dat - Royal Crown Revue
Who Dat? - JV (Jimmie Vestal) Two different versions recorded
Who Dat 2006 - Ghost & Birdfinger
Are You A Who Dat? - Mike Grothues
Dat "Who Dat" Jazz - Olympia Brass Band
A Who Dat Christmas - Who Dat Children's Choir
Who Let the Dogs Out (Who Dat remix) - Baha Men/Clear Channel New Orleans
Who Dat is coming out- Keith Reagan
Who Dat Fever - Weathered
The Who Dat Roll - Williams Riley[20]
Black and Gold (Who Dat???)- K. Gates
[edit] Pop
Party in the MIA-- mentions who dat [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnkLfYk_ff8[/media]
[edit] In hip hop
"Who Dat" is the name of the 8th single off of The Recession by Young Jeezy. They say who dat?
A variation of the "Who dat" chant was also used in the Lil' Wayne single "A Milli". Who dat say they gon beat Lil Wayne?
JT Money has a 1999 single called "Who Dat." The song was a hit, but was likely not intended to have any relation to the Saints or Vaudeville.
"Who dat" is also used in the song "Holla Back" by New Orleans-based rapper Juvenile: "They want a pimp to give them some money, but I don't do that. But baby I'm a Saints fan that's why I say who dat."
In 2009, New Orleans based artist K. Gates recorded “Black and Gold (Who Dat)” based on Ying Yang Twins’ “Halftime (Get Crunk)”.
Richie3Jack
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I could go into a pretty good Leadbetter story, but I think this thread is best deserved for the Saints.
I'm a diehard Cowboys fan. On one Cowboys message board that I frequent, usually each week there are some fans from opposing teams that come to visit, make an ass out of themselves and quickly get booted. And it's real bad when the Cowboys beat them because then those remarks that those opposing fans make are usually pinned to show what an ass they were. We didn't have that problem with Saints fans, a team that was undefeated when the Cowboys faced them. So I thought that was pretty neat.
I thought Gregg Williams did a masterful job which kind of gets overlooked given the gutsy calls that Payton made. The NFL has a tried and true way of stopping explosive offenses like the Colts. Don't give up big pass plays. Of course, you don't want to give up big run plays either, but most big plays are pass plays. I thought it was going to be a close game, even when the Colts were up 10-0 because for the most part, the Colts had to dink and dunk for their yardage.
Payton was calling the plays in Dallas in '05. I liked his philosophies as a playcaller, but sometimes his playcalling left me scratching my head. I thought he 'got away' with a lot of the tricky playcalling in '06, and then that reared its ugly head a bit on him in '07. But by the end of '08 he really seemed to learn his lesson and I thought this year he really hit his stride.
For me, watching the Saints win was more thinking about how a coach like Payton recognized his mistakes, learned from them, and just continued to grow. I think in any sport, people seem to think you should be great from the onset and never give a mea culpa on past mistakes. If that doesn't sound like the golf instruction industry, I don't know what does.
3JACK
I'm a diehard Cowboys fan. On one Cowboys message board that I frequent, usually each week there are some fans from opposing teams that come to visit, make an ass out of themselves and quickly get booted. And it's real bad when the Cowboys beat them because then those remarks that those opposing fans make are usually pinned to show what an ass they were. We didn't have that problem with Saints fans, a team that was undefeated when the Cowboys faced them. So I thought that was pretty neat.
I thought Gregg Williams did a masterful job which kind of gets overlooked given the gutsy calls that Payton made. The NFL has a tried and true way of stopping explosive offenses like the Colts. Don't give up big pass plays. Of course, you don't want to give up big run plays either, but most big plays are pass plays. I thought it was going to be a close game, even when the Colts were up 10-0 because for the most part, the Colts had to dink and dunk for their yardage.
Payton was calling the plays in Dallas in '05. I liked his philosophies as a playcaller, but sometimes his playcalling left me scratching my head. I thought he 'got away' with a lot of the tricky playcalling in '06, and then that reared its ugly head a bit on him in '07. But by the end of '08 he really seemed to learn his lesson and I thought this year he really hit his stride.
For me, watching the Saints win was more thinking about how a coach like Payton recognized his mistakes, learned from them, and just continued to grow. I think in any sport, people seem to think you should be great from the onset and never give a mea culpa on past mistakes. If that doesn't sound like the golf instruction industry, I don't know what does.
3JACK
Kevin Shields
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I'm gonna jack this thread! Here we go STEELERS 2010!!!!!!!!
Draft a #@!!&*#? Offensive lineman!!!
How bout an all Black and Gold Super Bowl next year?
Draft a #@!!&*#? Offensive lineman!!!
How bout an all Black and Gold Super Bowl next year?
vjsinger
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The All Black and Gold Super Bowl would be VERY stressful in our house, since my wife's family are season ticket holders for the Steelers and everyone in my family are originally from Louisiana and Saints fans. Too many nights of me sleeping on the couch and when visiting Pittsburgh getting the evil eye from the mother-in-law. It would be way too uncomfortable.
vjsinger
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Greg did a good job, like he has all year, no news there. I find it very interesting that Peyton has more trouble with 6 DB, cover 2 looks, and 3-4 defenses even though that's what the Colts D runs alot of. Johnathan Vilma is a stud, another player that gets overlooked and was told by the Jets that he couldn't play in the 3-4 scheme. Guess how many down linemen the Saints played with alot of the Super Bowl?, you guessed it 3. Yes, I know why the Jets told him that...
As for Sean, I agree that he has progressed and got better in playcalling, I hope he has, if not he wouldn't have a job. He also has better personnel to work with in N.O than what he did in big D, sorry Rich. The reason for the Saints success this year was not totally to do with playcalling, it was to do with balance on offense because of personnel additions/ emergences. Since 2006, the Saints have not been a top tier rushing team, until this year. At the end of the year they were 6th in rushing offense and really high(can't recall) in Red Zone efficiency both on Offense and much better on defense. The biggest difference in the team though may be the improvement in the secondary. I'd argue that Jabari Greer is one of the best corners in the league. Tracy Porter has gotten tougher and has made some really huge plays and strides in improving his technique. The special teams got better, we finally found a kicker that can kick it out of his shadow and drafted a very good punter from SMU.
I'd like to see the Saints upgrade a little bit at linebacker and Safety, if there is a weak point on the defense that would be it. Very exciting season and hope next year is just as fun.
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Richie3Jack
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Vilma can't play the 3-4. He's too small and gets crushed. He got badly injured with the Jets and with them using a 3-4 scheme something had to give. I like the 3-4 a lot and teams are certainly going to it more. But you need big ILB's and then that can take away some ability to cover as they move to slow. Also runs out on the perimeter tend to tougher to stop in a 3-4 because of the lack of speed. Vilma got into a 4-3 with the Saints where he didn't have to take on guards every play and he got healthier and returned to his old 'stud' form. The key with the 4-3 is finding a pass rush with the D-Linemen.
Peyton still struggles mostly against 3-4's because he doesn't know who is coming and who is dropping in coverage as much. The dime packages worked against the Colts because their running game stunk this year. Great gameplan by Williams. Get extra help in coverage, take away the deep ball, force them to beat you with the run and shorter passes.
3JACK
Peyton still struggles mostly against 3-4's because he doesn't know who is coming and who is dropping in coverage as much. The dime packages worked against the Colts because their running game stunk this year. Great gameplan by Williams. Get extra help in coverage, take away the deep ball, force them to beat you with the run and shorter passes.
3JACK
vjsinger
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Vilma can play the "3-4" against certain clubs, but not all year because he is on the smaller end of LB's. I think the league is so complex you can't define defenses anymore. It's hard to lump them into systems when they change looks from 1 second before the snap to when the ball is gone. For instance, if you went and talked to Greg about the defense and told him they play a "base 4-3" he might look at you cross-eyed. I guess if I had to call the Saints one "system" I call them a Tampa 2 scheme. Not Gruden's scheme, not the old Steelers scheme, but closer to Dungy's scheme when he was with Tampa, except we have much better players. They do so many different things based on down and distance. The league is much better and tougher now than it was even 5 years ago. It is funny that the Colts out -rushed the Saints, put extra DB's in the game, took away the deep ball and forced them to play that old "west coast offense system" and still lost the game with the great Peyton Manning at QB. I guess you never know. BTW, I really don't think Peyton "struggles" against any system, I just think he threw one questionable pass and his receivers couldn't catch the ball. Actually, I think the interception wasn't his fault, I think Wayne might has well wrote Porter a note telling him what route he was running and Wayne also ran the route too deep. Tracy also took a chance and jumped the thing. If the Colts have Reggie do a double move on that route the game would have been tied.
birdie_man
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