Who is the worst teacher of all time ?
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I agree with the idea that working on your golf swing based on a book is not the way to go, simply because a book may or may not address YOUR specific swing issues. Since you really can't see what you're doing (unless you video yourself and REALLY know what to look for), it's a crap shoot as to whether or not the solutions espoused in the book apply to you. You can really get yourself in trouble if you guess wrong.
I don't believe that.Knowing the science behind what makes a good swing is fine but it doesn't help me make it.There is the human element.quote:Originally posted by Pro
There is one book that offers no opinion or philosphy!
Selective information can often be the most dangerous due to missing or misunderstood factors.
Just my opinion.
todd
I need swing keys to help me produce the correct movements.The human mind require images and sensations,not facts about what happens in a good swing.
What I look for in golf books are swing keys and their philosophy behind those keys.Some work for me,some don't.Selective information.
How Leadbetter,Faldo,Elkington,etc. like to swing the club is fine for them but not for me.I write my own book.The goal is the same.A repeatable swing that delivers the clubhead on a shallow inside path.
I agree ... and I never liked that McLean 8 postion golf method either.
What outsiders will never know about TGM is that the swing is so free feeling. Practice mechanics, play with feel, I think the man said.
Martin Hall always preached a non-position golf swing, he is based in TGM.
Gary Player did a clinic at Hainault Forest Golf club in Essex in the afternoon. I also walked round with him when he played a few holes at Epping Forrest Country club in the morning. This was after one of the Opens many years ago when Faldo was still winning majors. At the time I was well into the Leadbetter stuff and thought that the guy MUST be great. With all the books ,videos ,PR Sultan of Swing bull****. There was a golf teacher there that used to play against Faldo as a junior. He said he was a friend of Bill Glasson. He used to work at a range that I used to hit balls at . He hated Leadbetter and suggested that I did not follow any of his methods. At the time I took no notice. He asked Gary what he thought of Leadbetter. I think he asked the question to get a point over to me. Gary looked round . There were about fifty people there. He asked if any press were there and when he felt at ease he really slagged Leadbetter off. He said that he had been in golf for many years and had seen it all .He could not believe some of the stuff that Leadbetter was getting Faldo to do. He said that the guy was a total fraud.
The guy is super strong. He put a bunch of clubs in between his fingers and held his arm straight out. I had a go but could not do it without the clubs drooping. He went on and on about how he prided himself on fitnes and looking after his diet. That this was not easy with all the traveling he did. He also told a story about calling Ben Hogan about some swing advice. Ben asked him which clubs he played with . I think he said Northwestern, so Ben told him to ask them for advice.
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Great story...
remember they are both from the same country...!
remember they are both from the same country...!
I agree that you cannot try to swing through positions recommended by a book or a player you like.It's their swing,not yours.
But you need to know the positions YOU swing through,otherwise how are you going to repeat the swing?Pot luck?
It is utterly impossible to play good golf without a swing that will repeat.
Jim Furyk said he once tried swinging the club in a more textbook fashion.He said his good shots were GREAT but his bad shots were much more penalising than with his normal swing.
His swing makes me wanna laugh but he sure can REPEAT it.
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I agree that you cannot try to swing through positions recommended by a book or a player you like.It's their swing,not yours.
But you need to know the positions YOU swing through,otherwise how are you going to repeat the swing?Pot luck?
It is utterly impossible to play good golf without a swing that will repeat.
Jim Furyk said he once tried swinging the club in a more textbook fashion.He said his good shots were GREAT but his bad shots were much more penalising than with his normal swing.
His swing makes me wanna laugh but he sure can REPEAT it.
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Repeat Repeat Repeat, its the name of the game. I think an insect would be perfect at golf, it only does one thing the same way over and over again.
Furyk? I love his swing, but im always living outside the box.
Position pics are fine in the beginning, in fact I use to "vogue" pics of Watson, Els and others, at lets say, the top of the backswing to get a feeling of what that position felt like and how he got there. But soon you have to feel the motion of the hands and pivot. I sometimes think most weekenders forget to pivot because the ball is at the side and they hear things like keep shoulders square to ball and never feel the movement. Oops ramble checker was off. Later
I agree that you cannot try to swing through positions recommended by a book or a player you like.It's their swing,not yours.
But you need to know the positions YOU swing through,otherwise how are you going to repeat the swing?Pot luck?
It is utterly impossible to play good golf without a swing that will repeat.
Jim Furyk said he once tried swinging the club in a more textbook fashion.He said his good shots were GREAT but his bad shots were much more penalising than with his normal swing.
His swing makes me wanna laugh but he sure can REPEAT it.
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Repeat Repeat Repeat, its the name of the game. I think an insect would be perfect at golf, it only does one thing the same way over and over again.
Furyk? I love his swing, but im always living outside the box.
Position pics are fine in the beginning, in fact I use to "vogue" pics of Watson, Els and others, at lets say, the top of the backswing to get a feeling of what that position felt like and how he got there. But soon you have to feel the motion of the hands and pivot. I sometimes think most weekenders forget to pivot because the ball is at the side and they hear things like keep shoulders square to ball and never feel the movement. Oops ramble checker was off. Later
Here are my picks for best and worst golf teachers:
Worst: Jim Wilkin of Estero, Florida. This guy has no credentials, wanders around a range on Williams Rd. in Estero trying to offer advice and hawking $ 40 per half hour from unsuspecting tourists. He calls himself a "Golf Professional" on his business card. Phone is
239-565-4711; someone should sanction him for the amount of bad advice he has given and the swings he has screwed up.
BEST:
Jim Sowerwine of the Rick Smith Golf Academy in Naples, Florida. Jim is the inventor of the inside approach training tool and I have gotten so much good from him that in one year, my handicap went from a 12 to a 4. He gives students alot of time, good practicle advice, and is a true credit to the PGA golf teaching professionals of America. I highly recommend him.He can be contacted at Tiburon Golf Club and Rick Smith Academy in Naples, Fl.
Worst: Jim Wilkin of Estero, Florida. This guy has no credentials, wanders around a range on Williams Rd. in Estero trying to offer advice and hawking $ 40 per half hour from unsuspecting tourists. He calls himself a "Golf Professional" on his business card. Phone is
239-565-4711; someone should sanction him for the amount of bad advice he has given and the swings he has screwed up.
BEST:
Jim Sowerwine of the Rick Smith Golf Academy in Naples, Florida. Jim is the inventor of the inside approach training tool and I have gotten so much good from him that in one year, my handicap went from a 12 to a 4. He gives students alot of time, good practicle advice, and is a true credit to the PGA golf teaching professionals of America. I highly recommend him.He can be contacted at Tiburon Golf Club and Rick Smith Academy in Naples, Fl.
Brian Manzella
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I think the best is another thread...
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