That seems to be a contradiction td...
You need (the correct) knowledge to maximise your clubhead speed, without it you can thrash around forever..........
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That seems to be a contradiction td...
You need (the correct) knowledge to maximise your clubhead speed, without it you can thrash around forever..........
ggsjpc
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Is "feel" the most important thing in golf?
Hell no.
KNOWLEDGE is power, and king, and therefore, the most important thing by a long shot.
This whole "FEEL" thing is being perpetrated by two groups—one, the TGM Book literalists, and two, the "I am scared of real science AND faux science in golf" crowd.
I know I am right on this.
And I prove it EVERYDAY I help someone on the lesson tee.
I have the knowledge, they have neither the "feel" or the knowledge.
I make an adjustment, and it often makes things better on the next ball.
Don't be scared of knowledge.
The TRUTH will set you free.
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TYPICAL MANZELLA STUDENT IN A LESSON:
"When I do what it is you just told me to do, it feels like I am pinching my last two toes on my left foot together."
Or something like that.
MANZELLA RESPONSE:
"I don't care what it feels like to you, but now that I know, I'll remember, and you'd better remember too, because that was IT!
Sounds like Feel from Mechanics to me.
Now learning a mechanic just BECAUSE it is SUPPOSED TO BE IMPORTANT, is another issue.
Someone would have to find a quote of mine that "Sounds like" I don't like this idea, and I will explain that.
To me, these two quotes from Brian seem to support the point zz is making. Knowledge for the teacher, feel for the player. I think it's better said that repeating a feeling that produces correct procedures is more correct but that is how I define feel. Feel is the ability to reproduce a sensation from the golfer that produces a desired result. The teacher can not give the student feel. The teacher gives the student knowledge. The player takes the knowledge and converts it into their feel.
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The way Brian explained it was feeing like at the top of the swing to rotate the forearms so that the clubshaft was pointing behind me and to the outside. He initially told me to push the shaft out with my right hand, but I do it better with a feel of pulling the handle into my right forearm (it reminded me of a move with a bo staff). This my right forearm on top and keeps the clubhead from being lagging the inside. The tumble needed to be started before I drop the arms and before I pivoted. I now do the tumble as my waggle (kind of the TGM "program the machine" [am I allowed to say that?]). Looks funny, but the swing is totally orthodox.
From a post by Rchang 72, there's a few mentions of feel in there, he's trying to apply what Brian told him.
From a post by Rchang 72, there's a few mentions of feel in there, he's trying to apply what Brian told him.
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Finally someone who get's it!
and i believe it's not the first time you have come up with these gems, you i would gladly take a lesson from. Also the teacher can say it feel's like...
ggsjpc
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Finally someone who get's it!
Danger here.....I think it's better put "I've heard my students say it feels like a, b and/or c. Which one of these does it feel like to you? or is it something else." I guess it would also be ok to say it feels like....to me. Probably not the best idea to tell someone how it should feel or how it feels. Better for everyone if they convert it into their own feel. They'll own it more and repeat it more.
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What ggsjpc said was exactly what happened at my lesson. Brian had position/mechanic that he wanted to incorporate in my swing. It took him showing me where it needed to be, and I had to come up with what it felt like I was doing. He did explain what the mechanic was (I'm pretty analytical by nature, like a lot about TGM, and need to know these things) and tried to explain what I needed to do. However, it didn't work until I was able to have a feel of what I needed to do to get what Brian wanted out of me. What cemented that the feel was correct was having Brian there giving instant feedback about when I executed the correct mechanics and I could say, "Well, I did a 45 deg strike with a bo." For me, I'm not sure if video can even replace a good teacher to watch, because the time lag between the feeling and the feedback would be too long.
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I was meaning that. The little dots after... was meant to fill in what it feels like to you, to them or whoever, what ever it takes to help someone get it, communicate it, show them physically by putting them where they need to be and asking what it feels like to them, etc, etc.
Their feel of it might be the same as yours or it may be different, but regardless their going to have to use feel somewhere or sometime to apply the mechanics or knowledge, and some people are just better at it then others.
The reason a lot of people loose the feel of where the club is and what it's doing is because their not focusing on really feeling the club. Their focus is on ten body parts that their supposed to make do what they want those ten parts to do, AND THAT WILL MAKE THE CLUB BEHAVE THE WAY THEY WANT since you can only have one thought at a time, you better think fast and act faster than you think.
ggsjpc
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I was meaning that. The little dots after... was meant to fill in what it feels like to you, to them or whoever, what ever it takes to help someone get it, communicate it, show them physically by putting them where they need to be and asking what it feels like to them, etc, etc.
Their feel of it might be the same as yours or it may be different, but regardless their going to have to use feel somewhere or sometime to apply the mechanics or knowledge, and some people are just better at it then others.
The reason a lot of people loose the feel of where the club is and what it's doing is because their not focusing on really feeling the club. Their focus is on ten body parts that their supposed to make do what they want those ten parts to do, AND THAT WILL MAKE THE CLUB BEHAVE THE WAY THEY WANT since you can only have one thought at a time, you better think fast and act faster than you think.
Some people are way better at it than others. In fact, too many people have no idea they are supposed to be doing it. I spend a bunch of my time teaching them how to learn and not just how to do.
Blows me away when I ask someone if they can feel the clubhead and I get "No, I've never even thought of that." Never thought of it. That's the part that's going to hit the ball.
tourdeep
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Define correct "knowledge"....is it an absolute?Is it a general knowledge or knowledge that is specific to your swing?
How do you know your knowlege is correct?
Not long ago we all thought we hit 11 deg inside out and can sustain the line of compression TGM style.
What makes everyone think in 5 years time our correct "knowledge" now will still be the same?
How do you know your knowlege is correct?
Not long ago we all thought we hit 11 deg inside out and can sustain the line of compression TGM style.
What makes everyone think in 5 years time our correct "knowledge" now will still be the same?
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