why dont more people

[shootin4par]

use a lagging clubhead takeawy, what are the drawbacks? a buddy of mine uses it and strikes it VERY pure and very long. his only issue is he sometimes gets outside of his right foot on the take away. does a lagging make chipping more difficult?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

It's a lost art imo.

I use it and i'm going to experiment moving towards a more "conventional" takeaway and see if anything improves.

 

[danny_shank]

I had some problems using it

I find it hard to get the lagging and apply extensor action at the same time because extensor action solidifies the left arm flying wedge.

Also has anyone else had problems with the lagging clubhead takeaway encouraging use of the outside muscles of the right forearm and getting the right elbow too high?

Cheers,

Danny

 

[birdie_man]

I know what you mean man.....but you only need so much EA....no?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

I think the conscious use of extensor action is a waste of time and is also one the most misunderstood things about the golf swing.

 

[Jared Willerson]

I find it hard to get the lagging and apply extensor action at the same time because extensor action solidifies the left arm flying wedge.

This is my question as well, I hope we discuss this in the next "live thread". It seems to be one or the other with me, however, Bobby Schaeffer looks like he does a good job of using both.

 

[WVSooner]

use a lagging clubhead takeawy, what are the drawbacks? a buddy of mine uses it and strikes it VERY pure and very long. his only issue is he sometimes gets outside of his right foot on the take away. does a lagging make chipping more difficult?

Can you explain what you mean by "gets outside of his right foot." I'm thinking I may do that sometimes, but I do it on purpose. Why is it a bad thing?

 

[shootin4par]

Can you explain what you mean by "gets outside of his right foot." I'm thinking I may do that sometimes, but I do it on purpose. Why is it a bad thing?

gets outside of his right foot in terms of weight shift/balance why would that be bad? no solid right side to fire from. put the wieght on the outside portion of your foot and try and throw a baseball or try and hit a baseball, you have nothing to push off of, whether or not you consciously push off the right side or subconsciously do it

 

[Jared Willerson]

I thought the pressure was to be directed toward the ground?? That sounds a lot like leg drive ala Ballard.

 

[Spike]

The lagging clubhead takeaway is a great way to get the feel of the clubhead loading the hands before the arms. If the desire is to load the arms before the hands then it is possible to go too far outside the right foot.

Using PP#1 against the lagging clubhead will create the amount of extensor action in the takeaway to keep the club on path. When the clubhead begins to pass the right wrist it will then bend the right wrist back and start the right elbow folding in a beautiful sequence to the top.

Lagging clubhead takeaway for chip shots is a phenomenal way to develop feel for power and distance control. It is a great way to learn how to sustain the lag.

 

[Brian Manzella]

The good ole, Lagging Clubhead Takeaway.

It often is just the ANTIDOTE, but can be the CURE!

I played very well with a little, and some of my best lesson were with a lot.

I will say this:

It is THE BEST WAY to fix a quick (from the top) thrower, IF you do it ALL THE WAY to the top, like The "Ping Man" or at least NICK-LOSS!

 

[shootin4par]

It often is just the ANTIDOTE, but can be the CURE!

I played very well with a little, and some of my best lesson were with a lot.

I will say this:

It is THE BEST WAY to fix a quick (from the top) thrower, IF you do it ALL THE WAY to the top, like The "Ping Man" or at least NICK-LOSS!

and how do you do it all the way to the top, and how do you use it in chips/pitches
thanks

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

and how do you do it all the way to the top, and how do you use it in chips/pitches
thanks

All the way to the top = latest possible moment to let the left wrist cock, basically just slinging it back and when the momentum of the club turns it over that's it, like Jack.

Brian demonstrates it in the Flipper video on a "chip/pitch" (Ben's word) i believe. You start at address hands, float away the address hands and then float into impact hands and hit the chip/pitch.

 

[shootin4par]

thanks jim, any idea what point in the flipper video

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Honestly i don't remember

 

[RicoSuave]

better for hitting ?

IMO the lagging clubheadtakeaway suites better to hitting than to swinging,
just because the force you apply to the handle of the club is on plane
and the delayed "self-moving" sweetspot has got no "rotation-information".
So from the feeling the blade is always cutting the plane and not rotating into the plane.
What do you think ?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

IMO the lagging clubheadtakeaway suites better to hitting than to swinging,
just because the force you apply to the handle of the club is on plane
and the delayed "self-moving" sweetspot has got no "rotation-information".
So from the feeling the blade is always cutting the plane and not rotating into the plane.
What do you think ?

Sorry, but no. Lagging clubhead takeaway is a lot more suited to swinging a rope than it is using an axe.

 

[tourdeep]

standing up the grass...

thanks jim, any idea what point in the flipper video

starts at the 26 minute mark...

 

[shootin4par]

thanks td

 

[Brian Manzella]

What's funny....

...about the Lagging Clubhead Takeaway is how many people it helps vs. the RIGHT FOREARM takeaway.

Here is an estimate:

1. Snead-like Takeaway (Standard Pivots leads. Left Arm folllows hips)...

65%

2. "Correctly-Done" Right Forearm Takeaway (not the "leave your pivot behind" style, but the SMART pivot style, with a slight hip bump/slide to the right)...

15%

3. Lagging Clubhead Takeaway (ala Bobby Jones, but esp like Walter Hagen)

10%

4. Stay at home RFT (with a flat shoulder turn and no hip slide and dead center of the stance head position)

5%

5. All others

5%