Why no more wristy putters?

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Chris Sturgess

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thefuture37 said:
theres alot of different ways to release a putter. you can rotate your forearms a little(like Tiger), flip at it, etc... Funniest thing about people that use belly putters is that they force you to flip at it.
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It would be awesome if you could run across Vijay Singh or Arnold Palmer hitting putts on the putting green and disdainfully say, "you're flipping."
 
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Like I said before, there are alot of different ways to release the putterhead. None is better or worse than another. I do think that there is a reason that none of the great putters of today or history used anything other than a standard length putter and a traditional(meaning right hand low for a right hander) grip though. Another good "flipper" putter is furyk. He also has a good bit of head movement during the stroke.
 
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thefuture37 said:
Like I said before, there are alot of different ways to release the putterhead. None is better or worse than another. I do think that there is a reason that none of the great putters of today or history used anything other than a standard length putter and a traditional(meaning right hand low for a right hander) grip though. Another good "flipper" putter is furyk. He also has a good bit of head movement during the stroke.
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I just don't think you are using the word 'flip' in the way it's usually used on this site. A belly putter does force you to release the putter head - I get what you are saying about that - since, with the putter pressed against the belly or sternum, the putter head will come both inside and up after it comes through the ball.

But the belly putter takes the wrists and hands out of the stroke entirely. When someone putts with a belly putter they keep the angle of their left wrist exactly the same throughout the stroke.

The idea of 'flipping' seems to suggest that that angle changes (that it breaks down at some point). Since it does not do this, I don't think 'flipping at it' is a good way to describe the movement. I get the sense that you don't like belly putters or the belly putting style. That's fine. Go ahead and make your critique. You certainly won't find me arguing that Vijay is a better putter than Tiger. But I think it would be better for you to give us that critique, rather than saying that people 'flip' with the belly putter. After all, this is the site of the man with 'the flattest left wrist in golf'. No one around here likes flippers. So rather than disparaging everyone who uses a belly putter by calling them flippers, why not spell out your criticisms.
 
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thefuture37 said:
bobby jones' putter also had the loft of a 2 iron if I remember correctly. Those greens must have been like the fairways are now.
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His putter had 9 degrees of loft. What he knew as his No. 2 iron had 24 degrees of loft. He did carry a chipping cleek for very long off-the-green shots across very fast greens.

FWIW, I'm a wristy putter. It just feels better and I feel like I have control. I picture sort of "writing" with my putter head. Writing is one of the finer motor skills we require, and we use lots of wrist and fingers in that. That's my reasoning anyway.
 
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aeijtzsche said:
Writing is one of the finer motor skills we require, and we use lots of wrist and fingers in that. That's my reasoning anyway.
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I think that the wristy stroke is a valid way to putt on modern greens. People have explained the reason why Jones & Co. used this stroke, but they have not given ANY logical reasons why it is inferior to modern putting strokes.

aeijtzsche,

I believe that putting is a fine motor skill, and not the silly gross motor clumsy motion of a shoulder rock or any other big muscle group. Our wonderful hands are what allowed us to jump out of the trees, and evolve into the most intelligent tool using species on earth.

Educated hands = golfers gungfu:

gung fu: (hard work) Learning one thing so well that you can do ANYTHING with it. In Kung fu it might be a certain type of punch that allows you to destroy 100 enemies at once; in golf it is our hands that control the club face. Learn impact so well that you can do anything with it: smash the driver, thread a long iron down a tight fairway, hit delicate pitches, and sink putts.
 
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Chris Sturgess said:
So, when we were "in the trees" we were not using our hands? Must have been tough to hold on the branches with only the feet. :rolleyes:
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Actually I am referring to the evolution of opposable thumbs and the ability to create tools. Some of these tools along with fire allowed our early ancestors to eat a better diet and consume more calories to run our energy hungry brain. Evo-Biologist believe that is one of several factors that allowed for the evo of modern man. Of course you still hang from trees (edited for the PC girls) and rely on the functions of your most basic reptilian brain.

Anyone but you could see the levity in my original sentence... So womanly, so rigid, so impotent, so impolite. SOY
 
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Yeah, thanks for the elementary school knowledge there. The point is that if our ancenstors were swinging around in the trees already has opposable thumbs. Evolution is a standing up straight thing and a brain improvement thing at that point, not a hands thing. Keep putting with a wristy stroke using "gung fu" though, sounds awesome...
 
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Ya bit off on a tangent eh...

Gets a little frisky in here sometimes. Soy soy to everyone.

-Soy Master(y)
 
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