drewyallop
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Assuming that golf swing theory is evolutionary, what did TGM contribute, if anything, to where we are today?
Drew
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Why was Mr Homer Kelley important?
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and a step backwards in other area's.
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Like anything that is evolving, in order to see where it has been and where it is going there needs to be a baseline of some kind. Mr. Kelley and TGM I think gave us that baseline. By identifying things in catagories and actual movements not just feels of what someone thinks they are doing.
I realize that some of the book has been improved upon over time with the advancements in measurement technologies, biokinetics and other areas, but without the baseline supplied by TGM I wonder if we would realize where those improvements were and how important they are becoming to the game. Also, I know it has been said here time and again but I agree with the sentiment that by revising and updating the book so many times Mr. Kelley would have welcomed the advancements to his original work with open arms.
I realize that some of the book has been improved upon over time with the advancements in measurement technologies, biokinetics and other areas, but without the baseline supplied by TGM I wonder if we would realize where those improvements were and how important they are becoming to the game. Also, I know it has been said here time and again but I agree with the sentiment that by revising and updating the book so many times Mr. Kelley would have welcomed the advancements to his original work with open arms.
Richie3Jack
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A better concept for learning how to develop your golf swing or to develop somebody else's golf swing. Recently, Brian did a video on 'classifying' golf swings and said there's really nothing wrong per say with classifying a golf swing regardless of how you want to classify it ('ear lobe dip') Homer Kelley either was the first to do that in any detail or at least popularized the concept.
He also spawned many other instructors, either directly or indirectly, like Mac O'Grady, Mike Bennett and Andy Plummer, Greg McHatton and Brian Manzella. Whether or not you agree with any of these instructors' teaching, they've certainly had a major influence on the golf swing instruction industry.
Lastly, he dared to delve further into the idea that the golf swing was a science and not some type of mysterious art form.
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He also spawned many other instructors, either directly or indirectly, like Mac O'Grady, Mike Bennett and Andy Plummer, Greg McHatton and Brian Manzella. Whether or not you agree with any of these instructors' teaching, they've certainly had a major influence on the golf swing instruction industry.
Lastly, he dared to delve further into the idea that the golf swing was a science and not some type of mysterious art form.
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aaron_lohan
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The work he produced is the best instructional book of its kind ever written, especially considering he wrote it in the 60's, advances in science and knowledge since then have disproved a number of his ideas but it is still relevant today. Some of Sir Isaac Newton's theories have been disproved but people still have a lot of respect for what he did, it seems that some people on here want to totally discard his work and bash him which is wrong imo.
Not sure what you are referencing about Newton's theories. Could you elucidate? Closest I could find was his corpuscular theory of light, but they apparently are correct for light as photons. Einstein versus Newtonian laws of motion is too complex and a "minority view" to say Newton was disproved.
IMO he introduced a way of thinking about the golf swing which didn't really exist before and is the current basis for almost all credible instruction today, 40 years after the book was written. Thus his work was a defining moment (if not THE defining) moment in the evolution of golf instruction. No question about it many top instructors are all products of Kelley's work, including our host IMHO.
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The question was "Why was Mr Homer Kelley important?"
The answer to that is—in my opinion—he understood that the ball can be hit identically with far from identical, in fact very different swings. He introduced the idea of classifying these differences, and the idea that some combinations just would not work. He knew that the ball-club collision was paramount, and that science holds all the answers.
He thereby moved the expectation bar way, way up, and influenced the sport dramatically.
I also believe his observations, like "the elbow plane is almost always subconsciously used, etc., and some of his terminology, will out live anything else he did in his lifetime.
The answer to that is—in my opinion—he understood that the ball can be hit identically with far from identical, in fact very different swings. He introduced the idea of classifying these differences, and the idea that some combinations just would not work. He knew that the ball-club collision was paramount, and that science holds all the answers.
He thereby moved the expectation bar way, way up, and influenced the sport dramatically.
I also believe his observations, like "the elbow plane is almost always subconsciously used, etc., and some of his terminology, will out live anything else he did in his lifetime.
It is my understanding that Einstein's Special Relativity was an extension of Newton's work that included snippets of Newton's math. By pointing to the heavens, Einstein proved Newton's models were incomplete much as many people now hope/believe that Einstein's vastly superior General Relativity model is also incomplete.
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